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No, you pay, and then you get the wishes. The Angry Druid Send a noteboard - 19/10/2010 11:01:08 PM
And that's only one of the many things wrong with Lanfear/Moiraine theories.

But let's start there:

1) You pay, then you get the wishes. Or at best, you both happen at the same time. That's why Mat went dark BEFORE he got the medallion.

Mat asks for:
a) The holes in his memory to be filled
b) A way to be free of Aes Sedai, and
c) A way out of Rhuidean.

"What was asked will be given."
"The price will be paid."
"Burn you," he shouted, "what are you talking-"
Utter darkness closed around him. There was something around his throat. He could not breathe. Air. He could not....

Notice, he didn't get the medallion, and then get put out, and then pass out. Perhaps they happened simultaneously somehow, but he didn't get his stuff, and THEN get put out, then get hanged. That we know for certain.

Last on this one: what planet are you from? Where on earth do you get what you want and then pay. It is the other way around, you pay, then you get what you paid for. And you think the Finns, the ultimate bargainers, do it the other way? Seriously?

2) Why on earth would Lanfear (or Moiraine) even get any wishes?

They broke the agreement, and channeled wildly in the other zone, creating, from the looks of it, lots of light, which would have ticked the Finns off.

Plus, questions that touch the Shadow are punished by the Tear Finns, and Lanfear is Forsaken. They have to know via rummaging in her memories. No way they give HER wishes.

3) If your theory is correct, why on earth doesn't Lanfear just leave?

If she somehow makes a gateway to Caemlyn (she can still channel) and kills Asmodean with the power, bringing his body (back to Finnland?). Why doesn't she just kill him and step out and go somewhere else? How would they stop her? We know you can channel in Finnland, Rand does. Perhaps it is different before you bargain?

And if the Finns killed Asmo for her, he wouldn't recognize her, nor recognize her as Cyndane later. So it would have to be her channeling, which would make NO sense, if she can channel, she can escape. Unless the Finns have some sort of device to stop channelers, but then, how did she get there? Back to square one.

4) You are missing the whole transmitigation thing.

If indeed she is killed (as she must have been at some point), then no way can the DO bring her back in time to kill Asmo. If she isn't killed right away, we are back above: she's not likely to be granted a wish, if so, she doesn't get it until after she pays, and why didn't she simply escape, since if she killed him, she can channel and make a gateway?

5) You only get wishes about your own life/thread.

This restriction was on the Finns in Tear with regard to questions about the future of your own life. All of Rands and Mats questionss related to their own lives, and all of Mat's needs in Rhuidean likewise were about things HE needed (holes in memory, free of AS, and a way out).

A wish to kill someone else is affecting (ending) another thread. I believe this would cross the line and certainly be punished/not granted.

Anyway, I still maintain Lanfear didn't do it, and isn't even a realistic candidate. But maybe impossible was a bit strong. I guess we'll find out soon.
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Did Larry give away Asmo's killer? (possible spoilers) - 19/10/2010 01:49:57 AM 3036 Views
Re: Did Larry give away Asmo's killer? (possible spoilers) - 19/10/2010 02:23:03 AM 1845 Views
Lanfear could not have done it. Period. - 19/10/2010 04:46:07 AM 1804 Views
Terrible logic (or lack thereof). - 19/10/2010 04:53:03 AM 1573 Views
No, you pay, and then you get the wishes. - 19/10/2010 11:01:08 PM 1447 Views
No, the wishes are granted first. - 20/10/2010 05:27:28 AM 1380 Views
Re: Lanfear could not have done it. Period. - 19/10/2010 05:00:39 AM 1463 Views
Wait about 1 more week until the spoilers leak out and you will know for sure - 19/10/2010 04:09:53 AM 1571 Views
Since when have Moiraine and Lanfear theories been "outlandish"? - 19/10/2010 04:47:56 AM 1519 Views
I think Lanfear is a poor choice - 19/10/2010 05:09:31 AM 1542 Views
Granted, lack of motive was always a puzzle for me - 19/10/2010 05:17:27 AM 1337 Views
Some additional thoughts on motive - 19/10/2010 05:34:22 AM 1488 Views
Re: Some additional thoughts on motive - 19/10/2010 01:05:28 PM 1450 Views
She THINKS Asmodean betrayed her, though - 20/10/2010 05:32:35 AM 1450 Views
Ummm... no. - 20/10/2010 06:19:16 AM 1553 Views
Without any "ummm" - YES. - 20/10/2010 01:56:00 PM 1315 Views
Duh she threatened him! - 20/10/2010 04:13:10 PM 1358 Views
Re: Without any "ummm" - YES. - 20/10/2010 04:13:51 PM 1451 Views
Agreed. On all points. *NM* - 19/10/2010 09:39:42 AM 946 Views
Attack of opportunity... - 20/10/2010 06:16:27 AM 1284 Views
She had wishes she didn't expect to have. - 20/10/2010 01:57:38 PM 1374 Views
- 20/10/2010 04:15:14 PM 1464 Views
Re: Did Larry give away Asmo's killer? (possible spoilers) - 19/10/2010 05:04:44 AM 3074 Views
C'mon Sid! - 19/10/2010 05:07:55 AM 1593 Views
Re: C'mon Sid! - 19/10/2010 05:10:53 AM 1472 Views
Re: C'mon Sid! - 19/10/2010 05:13:52 AM 1476 Views
Re: C'mon Sid! - 19/10/2010 05:41:34 AM 1481 Views
That page number was a joke, you know - 19/10/2010 08:08:38 AM 1565 Views
Re: That page number was a joke, you know - 19/10/2010 04:18:03 PM 1602 Views
correct and correct - 19/10/2010 03:31:41 PM 1483 Views
Aw, did he criticize you? - 20/10/2010 05:50:22 PM 1458 Views
LOL nope - 21/10/2010 07:17:23 AM 1364 Views
Aw. Poor baby. - 21/10/2010 07:24:40 PM 1437 Views
And you're a moron who can't control his own board. - 20/10/2010 01:36:01 PM 1580 Views
Re: And you're a moron who can't control his own board. - 20/10/2010 01:48:47 PM 1364 Views
If you think that it's anything but in line with what Sidious started, then you're also a moron, - 20/10/2010 02:38:50 PM 1358 Views
Re: If you think that it's anything but in line with what Sidious started, then you're also a moron, - 20/10/2010 04:01:30 PM 1312 Views
Learn to read. - 20/10/2010 05:41:48 PM 1384 Views
Re: Learn to read. - 21/10/2010 06:28:26 PM 1352 Views
Ah, still a moron, I see. - 21/10/2010 07:21:10 PM 1451 Views
Much as I agree with your sentiment(s) - 21/10/2010 07:42:23 PM 1550 Views
No, I know. I just hate stupid people. *NM* - 21/10/2010 07:53:37 PM 786 Views
Re: Ah, still a moron, I see. - 22/10/2010 02:11:19 PM 1266 Views
Like begets like. - 22/10/2010 08:46:06 PM 1567 Views
I always thought it was Slayer or Lanfear - 19/10/2010 05:31:12 AM 1470 Views
.... - 19/10/2010 08:09:55 AM 1687 Views
don't worry about it - this is all very harmless, you know - 19/10/2010 08:15:49 AM 1429 Views
Depends on the attention received - 19/10/2010 08:20:44 AM 1599 Views
Re: .... - 19/10/2010 01:01:57 PM 1411 Views
word to all of this....especially the not expecting this bit. *NM* - 19/10/2010 04:24:47 PM 664 Views
The cheap character shots people are taking at Larry are pretty deplorable IMO. - 19/10/2010 06:50:58 PM 1376 Views
I agree 100 per cent *NM* - 19/10/2010 07:20:35 PM 743 Views
I still can't figure out what the hell he did that was so bad - 20/10/2010 06:05:50 AM 1320 Views
I agree with you. - 20/10/2010 05:33:12 PM 1402 Views
Hi. - 22/10/2010 05:37:32 AM 1334 Views
Agreed. And coming from admins, no less. *NM* - 20/10/2010 01:37:12 PM 831 Views
I don't think Larry did anything wrong. - 20/10/2010 04:01:16 PM 1398 Views
Re: .... - 20/10/2010 08:07:52 AM 1501 Views
Give away? - 19/10/2010 02:03:53 PM 1373 Views
No, it was a joke. *NM* - 19/10/2010 03:23:22 PM 681 Views
You're dead! Rand killed you in EotW! *NM* - 19/10/2010 03:41:23 PM 777 Views
There was no proof of it. I refuse to believe it. *NM* - 21/10/2010 05:05:42 AM 691 Views
It's Lanfear - definitely. Look at Graendal if you want proof.. - 20/10/2010 10:47:01 PM 1475 Views
Dude, just admit you did it already. *NM* - 21/10/2010 05:07:10 AM 725 Views

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