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He's EveryCairhienin; prob'ly RJ didn't call him that 'cos it hurts the eye and mouth too much. Joel Send a noteboard - 01/12/2010 02:50:30 PM
We all assumed he was until, if I remember correctly, Jordan said flat out that he isn't. Now he's just an irritating and unnecessary secondary character.

I think RJ went out of his way to say he's not Gaidal (apart from Birgittes comment that Gaidal is out there now, too young, and Olvers fascination with her, making the wrong conclusion as inevitable as Taimandred) because he's like the squire T.H. White heavily implies to be Mallory at the end of The Once and Future King. It's the same reason Rand makes time between his epiphany and Tarmon Gaidon to have a conversation with a freakin' apple farmer: Most people aren't heroes, but epic global struggles affect them as much as everyone else--they just usually have less influence on the outcome. Olver lost everything but his Snakes and Foxes game between the two waves of Aiel, but there's probably no honored place as a Hero of the Horn waiting for him. He'll do his part like a good soldier, avenge his family as best he can, then live his entire life after watching them brutally slaughtered before other boys were learning to shave. Then he'll die and be mourned by those loved ones he subsequently found and the Wheel will keep on a-turnin'....

We need characters like that in great stories, I think, as more than just a brief aside or a microplotline scattered over two or three widely separated chapters yet resolved in one volume (e.g. the cart driver who worked for Ronde Macura et al. who makes a few reflections then decides to disappear to Lugard; that's the last we see of an Everyman so memorable his name escapes me). Most folks want to identify with epic heroes, but few live suitably epic lives. Characters like Olver right in the thick of events with no ta'veren powers to cover their butts are a lot more relatable to the average reader than the prophecied Blademaster reincarnation of the most powerful channeler in history. It's only when Rand is tortured by the awareness of his human limitations that we can really empathize with him, but I think that kind of identification with a character in the midst of things much larger than himself is Olvers whole purpose. He's not the Hornsounder, the Dragon Reborn, a Queen with magical powers or anything like that: He's just a kid during wartime doing the best he can, but that ought to be enough.
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So...what was this "heartbreaking scene" with Olver in ToM? - 01/12/2010 04:12:34 AM 2617 Views
yah he started kinda cute, now he's just kinda annoying. *NM* - 01/12/2010 04:21:42 AM 641 Views
My point exactly. His maudlin backstory is just stupid. *NM* - 01/12/2010 02:14:00 PM 621 Views
His POV almost angered me - 01/12/2010 04:48:14 AM 1669 Views
Almost?! Angered :p *NM* - 01/12/2010 06:26:50 AM 598 Views
Children are selfish bastards. - 01/12/2010 06:47:45 AM 1511 Views
olver is upset you feel that way. olver just wants to be able to kill the shaido that took his dad - 01/12/2010 07:33:43 AM 1685 Views
Just then Shaidar Haran came and cut off Olvers head. - 01/12/2010 11:53:59 AM 1459 Views
There's really absolutely no point to his character if he isn't Gaidal Cain. - 01/12/2010 02:16:26 PM 1268 Views
He's EveryCairhienin; prob'ly RJ didn't call him that 'cos it hurts the eye and mouth too much. - 01/12/2010 02:50:30 PM 1781 Views
That theory never even made sense. - 01/12/2010 07:45:49 PM 1362 Views
What are you talking about? - 02/12/2010 12:50:00 AM 1281 Views
He's too old - 02/12/2010 01:47:03 AM 1379 Views
No he isn't. - 02/12/2010 04:57:46 AM 1552 Views
Yes, yes he is. - 02/12/2010 06:27:25 AM 1274 Views
Re: Yes, yes he is. - 03/12/2010 01:59:00 PM 1839 Views
Re: Yes, yes he is. - 03/12/2010 09:39:27 PM 1197 Views
I believe someone posted before, and I do forget who, but I shall paraphrase. - 01/12/2010 05:44:58 AM 1558 Views
"favors"? *NM* - 01/12/2010 06:29:02 AM 551 Views
Yeah, I pretty much figured that. *NM* - 01/12/2010 02:17:21 PM 492 Views
Hehe - 01/12/2010 01:57:16 PM 1484 Views
I really don't remember that - 01/12/2010 02:17:52 PM 1334 Views
Re: I really don't remember that - 01/12/2010 02:19:58 PM 1509 Views
I don't think there was one. I like Olver btw. - 01/12/2010 04:24:26 PM 1282 Views
I think it was supposed to be heartbreaking that a child was spending his days - 01/12/2010 05:42:40 PM 1595 Views
no...no I don't forget. I have a good emotional memory and it wasn't THAT long ago... - 01/12/2010 08:16:17 PM 1243 Views
Brat's a little harsh. - 02/12/2010 04:39:58 PM 1233 Views
it is a bit harsh. *NM* - 02/12/2010 05:01:02 PM 507 Views

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