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Re: Oh, I see. DomA Send a noteboard - 03/12/2010 02:29:30 AM
All right, that would be reasonable. But Wolf souls die for good in the Dreamworld because that's where dead wolves go. Aside from Heroes of the Horn, dead humans don't go to the Dreamworld, do they?


RJ said there's an afterworld where souls go to await rebirth. If it's TAR for humans too, it's not in the same dimension of TAR.
Hopper had no idea where humans go.

My hunch is that wolfbrothers become wolves in TAR after they die however, so perhaps Hopper's warning is true enough for Perrin. It may also be true if you die in TAR while there in the flesh. Perhaps your soul then becomes "lost", unable to reach the "soul pool".

Hopper may be quite wrong too, even about the wolves. Perhaps the wolves that die in TAR simply stop being reincarnated as wolves to rejoin the soul pool, and that's why the wolves believe these souls have died the final death (perhaps the souls of those wolves that died in TAR when they are reborn as human become wolfbrothers?). As RJ pointed out, souls are immortal - not even balefire can destroy them. It's very curious that dying in TAR while not incarnated (or even when incarnated) would destroy your soul. I suspect only Shai'tan can destroy souls.

Depending if Rand literally "dies" or not, I guess we might learn more about the afterlife in the last book.
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Egwene and the WIse Ones don't know the most basic thing about Teleranriod guttering flame - 02/12/2010 10:43:16 PM 2034 Views
IIRC Nicola was killed by a Black Ajah Sister and Egwene had tried to save her. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2010 10:52:01 PM 1235 Views
Yes, I meant allowing her near the battle in the first place guttering flame - 03/12/2010 06:28:45 AM 835 Views
And who would enforce those rules? j-whitt987 - 03/12/2010 12:42:33 PM 963 Views
Also, I'm not sure how you could expect the Wise Ones to know that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/12/2010 02:51:43 PM 842 Views
How do you figure? Fanatic-Templar - 02/12/2010 10:55:15 PM 1038 Views
Re: How do you figure? malekithe - 02/12/2010 11:06:29 PM 1122 Views
may, being the operative word. LadyLorraine - 02/12/2010 11:12:49 PM 952 Views
except for the part of the soul that stays in the sleeping body, like they've explained many times. *NM* nigelgoboom - 02/12/2010 11:16:43 PM 445 Views
mmm fair point. maybe if you were there "too strongly"? LadyLorraine - 02/12/2010 11:18:50 PM 947 Views
right. but i dont think 'too strongly' ever means completely. maybe in the flesh or something *NM* nigelgoboom - 03/12/2010 01:24:38 AM 474 Views
This doesn't make a lot of sense guttering flame - 03/12/2010 06:37:02 AM 889 Views
They also told Perrin that about... j-whitt987 - 03/12/2010 12:55:57 AM 1034 Views
yes, that is another confounding factor LadyLorraine - 03/12/2010 09:14:35 AM 894 Views
Oh, I see. Fanatic-Templar - 02/12/2010 11:45:37 PM 1002 Views
Re: Oh, I see. DomA - 03/12/2010 02:29:30 AM 1003 Views
Re: Oh, I see. Fanatic-Templar - 03/12/2010 02:45:59 AM 930 Views
He isn't a wolfbrother Timthetrolloc - 03/12/2010 05:43:06 AM 972 Views
Maybe he hadn't discovered it yet. Fanatic-Templar - 03/12/2010 06:21:22 AM 871 Views
He'd be a shadowbrother-brother guttering flame - 03/12/2010 06:51:59 AM 808 Views
You raise an interesting possibility guttering flame - 03/12/2010 06:44:18 AM 1064 Views
Wolfbrothers are going to be part of the next age. Fanatic-Templar - 03/12/2010 07:05:30 AM 826 Views
I thought they were just a transitional thing guttering flame - 03/12/2010 07:13:17 AM 915 Views
I doubt it, that Age is ours. Fanatic-Templar - 03/12/2010 09:33:03 PM 818 Views
Uhm, TOTALLY. LadyLorraine - 03/12/2010 10:00:01 PM 787 Views
GASP! *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 04/12/2010 06:59:09 AM 519 Views
I know RJ said something guttering flame - 04/12/2010 06:15:51 AM 802 Views
Re: I know RJ said something Fanatic-Templar - 04/12/2010 07:05:50 AM 891 Views
So... guttering flame - 04/12/2010 07:24:07 AM 910 Views
Re: So... Fanatic-Templar - 04/12/2010 10:12:45 AM 867 Views
Of course... DomA - 05/12/2010 08:21:05 PM 967 Views
If the first age is the Technological / Scientific Age guttering flame - 06/12/2010 06:33:18 AM 930 Views
I don't see why they would have to be unique themes. LadyLorraine - 06/12/2010 07:04:08 AM 872 Views
I don't even know why they're supposed to be mutually exclusive. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/12/2010 07:37:35 AM 444 Views
Re: I don't see why they would have to be unique themes. guttering flame - 06/12/2010 08:14:15 AM 853 Views
uhm, duh, stonehedge. LadyLorraine - 04/12/2010 07:11:44 PM 821 Views
No, because Heroes and Wolves are both different from run of the mill humans LadyLorraine - 03/12/2010 09:19:05 AM 934 Views
That's far from "the most basic" thing and it is entirely excusable that they do not know it. LadyLorraine - 02/12/2010 11:17:46 PM 1009 Views
Re: That's far from "the most basic" thing and it is entirely excusable that they do not know it. DomA - 03/12/2010 02:42:39 AM 956 Views
It could be extrapolated from the fact that it's souls that inhabit it guttering flame - 03/12/2010 06:54:40 AM 876 Views
You're caving to bias from being outside the story with more information than any single character. LadyLorraine - 03/12/2010 09:13:12 AM 887 Views
Don't forget the Heroes guttering flame - 03/12/2010 09:34:43 AM 771 Views
I think that she meant that comment as more for the "hero" version Apsalar Shadowdancer - 03/12/2010 10:57:38 AM 839 Views
Maybe this should be a question for Sanderson? guttering flame - 03/12/2010 11:43:54 AM 846 Views
that's only because you're stubbornly holding to yours, despite everyone indicating its errors *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/12/2010 05:29:15 PM 513 Views
Obviously my tenacity indicates that I have a worthy point guttering flame - 03/12/2010 07:06:18 PM 665 Views
Perrin doesn't count since his information is from Hopper LadyLorraine - 03/12/2010 09:58:01 PM 865 Views
So it's my evidence against your non-evidence? guttering flame - 04/12/2010 06:05:41 AM 925 Views
why are you assuming that all souls are the same? LadyLorraine - 04/12/2010 07:18:10 PM 1128 Views
1. You're wrong. 2. Even if you're right, how would they know? beetnemesis - 03/12/2010 05:28:33 AM 1081 Views
Maybe, but I bet they can spell it. Joel - 03/12/2010 05:43:28 AM 922 Views
Incidentally, wouldn't that mean it is safer to go to Tel'aran'rhiod in the flesh? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 03/12/2010 09:35:21 PM 434 Views
I'm more inclined to believe that being killed in the flesh in TAR darius_sedai - 04/12/2010 07:35:15 PM 785 Views
Where does that reasoning begin? Fanatic-Templar - 04/12/2010 07:53:42 PM 1355 Views
Perhaps it's more of a matter that the "usual route" may be altered? LadyLorraine - 04/12/2010 10:20:51 PM 759 Views
But human souls don't go to Tel'aran'rhiod, from what we know. Fanatic-Templar - 04/12/2010 11:19:53 PM 777 Views
maybe it does? LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 12:18:05 AM 1110 Views
So do we have any reason to believe this is the case? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 05/12/2010 02:48:48 AM 426 Views
I don't think so. It's not really something that's discussed LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 03:19:37 AM 645 Views
I'm pondering too darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 03:04:10 PM 939 Views
Not @ all - if humans regularly go to TAR after they die, we'd have seen it already. Heroes would newyorkersedai - 04/12/2010 01:28:45 AM 963 Views
that would have been decidedly clever. *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/12/2010 07:18:52 PM 390 Views
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