Perrin doesn't count since his information is from Hopper
LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 03/12/2010 09:58:01 PM
and neither Hopper nor Birgitte are run of the mill humans, nor is their authority infallible.
Hopper may just be wrong, for reasons mentioned above, and wolf souls are not human souls, evidenced most plainly by the fact wolf souls go to T'A'R' and human souls do not.
Birgitte is a Hero of the Horn and thus tied to the Weave and inhabiting it. Furthermore, she has no evidence that the soul truly dies if it is killed in T'A'R'. Like Hopper, she just knows that it is no longer tied to the Horn, and thus no longer in T'A'R'.
In both these instances, the destination post-mortem is T'A'R'. However we know that the destination of human souls is NOT T'A'R'.
There are too many differences, and our information is from fallible sources. Birgitte herself has admitted to not being particularly knowledgeable about all things "magic", and Hopper is a wolf. As he has insisted over countless chapters in various ways, humans are not wolves and wolves are not humans.
Oh, and stubbornness is never an indication of validity. Only stubbornness and possibly stupidity, depending on the details. Please never go into a scientific field.
Hopper may just be wrong, for reasons mentioned above, and wolf souls are not human souls, evidenced most plainly by the fact wolf souls go to T'A'R' and human souls do not.
Birgitte is a Hero of the Horn and thus tied to the Weave and inhabiting it. Furthermore, she has no evidence that the soul truly dies if it is killed in T'A'R'. Like Hopper, she just knows that it is no longer tied to the Horn, and thus no longer in T'A'R'.
In both these instances, the destination post-mortem is T'A'R'. However we know that the destination of human souls is NOT T'A'R'.
There are too many differences, and our information is from fallible sources. Birgitte herself has admitted to not being particularly knowledgeable about all things "magic", and Hopper is a wolf. As he has insisted over countless chapters in various ways, humans are not wolves and wolves are not humans.
Oh, and stubbornness is never an indication of validity. Only stubbornness and possibly stupidity, depending on the details. Please never go into a scientific field.
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This message last edited by LadyLorraine on 03/12/2010 at 09:58:57 PM
Egwene and the WIse Ones don't know the most basic thing about Teleranriod
- 02/12/2010 10:43:16 PM
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IIRC Nicola was killed by a Black Ajah Sister and Egwene had tried to save her.
- 02/12/2010 10:52:01 PM
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Yes, I meant allowing her near the battle in the first place
- 03/12/2010 06:28:45 AM
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And who would enforce those rules?
- 03/12/2010 12:42:33 PM
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Also, I'm not sure how you could expect the Wise Ones to know that.
- 03/12/2010 02:51:43 PM
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How do you figure?
- 02/12/2010 10:55:15 PM
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Re: How do you figure?
- 02/12/2010 11:06:29 PM
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may, being the operative word.
- 02/12/2010 11:12:49 PM
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except for the part of the soul that stays in the sleeping body, like they've explained many times. *NM*
- 02/12/2010 11:16:43 PM
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mmm fair point. maybe if you were there "too strongly"?
- 02/12/2010 11:18:50 PM
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right. but i dont think 'too strongly' ever means completely. maybe in the flesh or something 
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- 03/12/2010 01:24:38 AM
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- 03/12/2010 01:24:38 AM
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Oh, I see.
- 02/12/2010 11:45:37 PM
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Re: Oh, I see.
- 03/12/2010 02:29:30 AM
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Re: Oh, I see.
- 03/12/2010 02:45:59 AM
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He isn't a wolfbrother
- 03/12/2010 05:43:06 AM
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You raise an interesting possibility
- 03/12/2010 06:44:18 AM
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Wolfbrothers are going to be part of the next age.
- 03/12/2010 07:05:30 AM
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I thought they were just a transitional thing
- 03/12/2010 07:13:17 AM
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I doubt it, that Age is ours.
- 03/12/2010 09:33:03 PM
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I know RJ said something
- 04/12/2010 06:15:51 AM
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Re: I know RJ said something
- 04/12/2010 07:05:50 AM
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So...
- 04/12/2010 07:24:07 AM
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Re: So...
- 04/12/2010 10:12:45 AM
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Of course...
- 05/12/2010 08:21:05 PM
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If the first age is the Technological / Scientific Age
- 06/12/2010 06:33:18 AM
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I don't see why they would have to be unique themes.
- 06/12/2010 07:04:08 AM
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I don't even know why they're supposed to be mutually exclusive. *NM*
- 06/12/2010 07:37:35 AM
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No, because Heroes and Wolves are both different from run of the mill humans
- 03/12/2010 09:19:05 AM
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That's far from "the most basic" thing and it is entirely excusable that they do not know it.
- 02/12/2010 11:17:46 PM
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Re: That's far from "the most basic" thing and it is entirely excusable that they do not know it.
- 03/12/2010 02:42:39 AM
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It could be extrapolated from the fact that it's souls that inhabit it
- 03/12/2010 06:54:40 AM
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You're caving to bias from being outside the story with more information than any single character.
- 03/12/2010 09:13:12 AM
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Don't forget the Heroes
- 03/12/2010 09:34:43 AM
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I think that she meant that comment as more for the "hero" version
- 03/12/2010 10:57:38 AM
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Maybe this should be a question for Sanderson?
- 03/12/2010 11:43:54 AM
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that's only because you're stubbornly holding to yours, despite everyone indicating its errors 
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- 03/12/2010 05:29:15 PM
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- 03/12/2010 05:29:15 PM
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Obviously my tenacity indicates that I have a worthy point
- 03/12/2010 07:06:18 PM
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Perrin doesn't count since his information is from Hopper
- 03/12/2010 09:58:01 PM
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Incidentally, wouldn't that mean it is safer to go to Tel'aran'rhiod in the flesh? *NM*
- 03/12/2010 09:35:21 PM
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I'm more inclined to believe that being killed in the flesh in TAR
- 04/12/2010 07:35:15 PM
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Where does that reasoning begin?
- 04/12/2010 07:53:42 PM
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Perhaps it's more of a matter that the "usual route" may be altered?
- 04/12/2010 10:20:51 PM
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But human souls don't go to Tel'aran'rhiod, from what we know.
- 04/12/2010 11:19:53 PM
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maybe it does?
- 05/12/2010 12:18:05 AM
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So do we have any reason to believe this is the case? *NM*
- 05/12/2010 02:48:48 AM
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Not @ all - if humans regularly go to TAR after they die, we'd have seen it already. Heroes would
- 04/12/2010 01:28:45 AM
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