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Not @ all - if humans regularly go to TAR after they die, we'd have seen it already. Heroes would newyorkersedai Send a noteboard - 04/12/2010 01:28:45 AM
The Wise Ones are supposed to be the authority figures regarding the Dreamworld but there's one very basic thing they never showed any evidence of knowing:

When you are in Teleranriod your very soul is your body there and if you die you will never be reborn.

This gap in their knowledge is simply horrible.

I hoped that Perrin will tell Egwene this during their meeting in dream-Tower. That she would realize that she hadn't just killed Nicole she'd killed her forever.


keep silent and not interact with people in TaR. They get a special deal, and are probably folks who care a lot about responsibility and duty, like Birgitte and her guy. But regular folks - Else Grinwell, some of those Congars or Coplins, HERID FEL - they would be all over our heroes. The Congars would be complaining, and Herid would be telling Rand about death and how to win TG.

Your reaction is strong and bombastic, but Egwene's never been the source of all knowledge. The WO play down their abilities a lot, although they do talk in absolutes. Did you never notice that Moggy and Lanfear never talked about going to TaR to find Perrin's family and use them against him?...
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Egwene and the WIse Ones don't know the most basic thing about Teleranriod guttering flame - 02/12/2010 10:43:16 PM 2252 Views
IIRC Nicola was killed by a Black Ajah Sister and Egwene had tried to save her. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2010 10:52:01 PM 1552 Views
Yes, I meant allowing her near the battle in the first place guttering flame - 03/12/2010 06:28:45 AM 1041 Views
And who would enforce those rules? j-whitt987 - 03/12/2010 12:42:33 PM 1196 Views
Also, I'm not sure how you could expect the Wise Ones to know that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/12/2010 02:51:43 PM 1046 Views
How do you figure? Fanatic-Templar - 02/12/2010 10:55:15 PM 1249 Views
Re: How do you figure? malekithe - 02/12/2010 11:06:29 PM 1354 Views
may, being the operative word. LadyLorraine - 02/12/2010 11:12:49 PM 1167 Views
except for the part of the soul that stays in the sleeping body, like they've explained many times. *NM* nigelgoboom - 02/12/2010 11:16:43 PM 545 Views
mmm fair point. maybe if you were there "too strongly"? LadyLorraine - 02/12/2010 11:18:50 PM 1174 Views
right. but i dont think 'too strongly' ever means completely. maybe in the flesh or something *NM* nigelgoboom - 03/12/2010 01:24:38 AM 590 Views
This doesn't make a lot of sense guttering flame - 03/12/2010 06:37:02 AM 1137 Views
They also told Perrin that about... j-whitt987 - 03/12/2010 12:55:57 AM 1274 Views
yes, that is another confounding factor LadyLorraine - 03/12/2010 09:14:35 AM 1096 Views
Oh, I see. Fanatic-Templar - 02/12/2010 11:45:37 PM 1219 Views
Re: Oh, I see. DomA - 03/12/2010 02:29:30 AM 1253 Views
Re: Oh, I see. Fanatic-Templar - 03/12/2010 02:45:59 AM 1141 Views
He isn't a wolfbrother Timthetrolloc - 03/12/2010 05:43:06 AM 1229 Views
Maybe he hadn't discovered it yet. Fanatic-Templar - 03/12/2010 06:21:22 AM 1103 Views
He'd be a shadowbrother-brother guttering flame - 03/12/2010 06:51:59 AM 1040 Views
You raise an interesting possibility guttering flame - 03/12/2010 06:44:18 AM 1299 Views
Wolfbrothers are going to be part of the next age. Fanatic-Templar - 03/12/2010 07:05:30 AM 1034 Views
I thought they were just a transitional thing guttering flame - 03/12/2010 07:13:17 AM 1145 Views
I doubt it, that Age is ours. Fanatic-Templar - 03/12/2010 09:33:03 PM 1017 Views
Uhm, TOTALLY. LadyLorraine - 03/12/2010 10:00:01 PM 1001 Views
GASP! *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 04/12/2010 06:59:09 AM 657 Views
I know RJ said something guttering flame - 04/12/2010 06:15:51 AM 1015 Views
Re: I know RJ said something Fanatic-Templar - 04/12/2010 07:05:50 AM 1116 Views
So... guttering flame - 04/12/2010 07:24:07 AM 1150 Views
Re: So... Fanatic-Templar - 04/12/2010 10:12:45 AM 1133 Views
Of course... DomA - 05/12/2010 08:21:05 PM 1211 Views
If the first age is the Technological / Scientific Age guttering flame - 06/12/2010 06:33:18 AM 1139 Views
I don't see why they would have to be unique themes. LadyLorraine - 06/12/2010 07:04:08 AM 1104 Views
I don't even know why they're supposed to be mutually exclusive. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/12/2010 07:37:35 AM 541 Views
Re: I don't see why they would have to be unique themes. guttering flame - 06/12/2010 08:14:15 AM 1058 Views
uhm, duh, stonehedge. LadyLorraine - 04/12/2010 07:11:44 PM 1135 Views
No, because Heroes and Wolves are both different from run of the mill humans LadyLorraine - 03/12/2010 09:19:05 AM 1165 Views
That's far from "the most basic" thing and it is entirely excusable that they do not know it. LadyLorraine - 02/12/2010 11:17:46 PM 1239 Views
Re: That's far from "the most basic" thing and it is entirely excusable that they do not know it. DomA - 03/12/2010 02:42:39 AM 1179 Views
It could be extrapolated from the fact that it's souls that inhabit it guttering flame - 03/12/2010 06:54:40 AM 1099 Views
You're caving to bias from being outside the story with more information than any single character. LadyLorraine - 03/12/2010 09:13:12 AM 1110 Views
Don't forget the Heroes guttering flame - 03/12/2010 09:34:43 AM 1015 Views
I think that she meant that comment as more for the "hero" version Apsalar Shadowdancer - 03/12/2010 10:57:38 AM 1070 Views
Maybe this should be a question for Sanderson? guttering flame - 03/12/2010 11:43:54 AM 1090 Views
that's only because you're stubbornly holding to yours, despite everyone indicating its errors *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/12/2010 05:29:15 PM 622 Views
Obviously my tenacity indicates that I have a worthy point guttering flame - 03/12/2010 07:06:18 PM 888 Views
Perrin doesn't count since his information is from Hopper LadyLorraine - 03/12/2010 09:58:01 PM 1114 Views
So it's my evidence against your non-evidence? guttering flame - 04/12/2010 06:05:41 AM 1126 Views
why are you assuming that all souls are the same? LadyLorraine - 04/12/2010 07:18:10 PM 1346 Views
1. You're wrong. 2. Even if you're right, how would they know? beetnemesis - 03/12/2010 05:28:33 AM 1339 Views
Maybe, but I bet they can spell it. Joel - 03/12/2010 05:43:28 AM 1153 Views
Incidentally, wouldn't that mean it is safer to go to Tel'aran'rhiod in the flesh? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 03/12/2010 09:35:21 PM 533 Views
I'm more inclined to believe that being killed in the flesh in TAR darius_sedai - 04/12/2010 07:35:15 PM 1016 Views
Where does that reasoning begin? Fanatic-Templar - 04/12/2010 07:53:42 PM 1634 Views
Perhaps it's more of a matter that the "usual route" may be altered? LadyLorraine - 04/12/2010 10:20:51 PM 985 Views
But human souls don't go to Tel'aran'rhiod, from what we know. Fanatic-Templar - 04/12/2010 11:19:53 PM 996 Views
maybe it does? LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 12:18:05 AM 1319 Views
So do we have any reason to believe this is the case? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 05/12/2010 02:48:48 AM 522 Views
I don't think so. It's not really something that's discussed LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 03:19:37 AM 866 Views
I'm pondering too darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 03:04:10 PM 1152 Views
Not @ all - if humans regularly go to TAR after they die, we'd have seen it already. Heroes would newyorkersedai - 04/12/2010 01:28:45 AM 1210 Views
that would have been decidedly clever. *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/12/2010 07:18:52 PM 552 Views
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