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why are you assuming that all souls are the same? LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 04/12/2010 07:18:10 PM
And I'm not presenting my statements as "proof". I don't know whether they die permanently or not and I suppose it could go either way. I am not trying to prove anything myself. I am pointing out the flaws in your proofs. Your evidence is relying on unreliable statements (no concrete evidence) from people who don't know anything about human souls. Just because Birgitte knows MORE doesn't mean she's either correct or accurate. I've read statements of a lot of knowledgeable people in scientific or clinical fields that are STUPID wrong. Even if she is correct, her soul is presently different than a human soul. When she does, it goes to T'A'R'. When a human soul dies, it goes elsewhere. If you kill Birgitte's soul in T'A'R', it has no where to go, it's already dead in its destination.

As an additional thought, there's the everyday risk that your nightmare will enter into T'A'R' and if you die you're dead. This is something that affects neither dreamers, nor wolfbrothers, nor Heroes. it's possible that these unlucky people are just "Dead", but given the general patterns throughout the cosmology of Randland, I doubt this. They probably just die and their souls go wherever human souls go. However, they would be being killed in T'A'R' just like any Dreamer. Jordan does not strike me as being the sort of author who would prescribe this fate for his peasantry and non-heroic innocents.
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may, being the operative word. - 02/12/2010 11:12:49 PM 1047 Views
except for the part of the soul that stays in the sleeping body, like they've explained many times. *NM* - 02/12/2010 11:16:43 PM 489 Views
mmm fair point. maybe if you were there "too strongly"? - 02/12/2010 11:18:50 PM 1054 Views
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GASP! *NM* - 04/12/2010 06:59:09 AM 562 Views
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Re: I know RJ said something - 04/12/2010 07:05:50 AM 984 Views
So... - 04/12/2010 07:24:07 AM 1022 Views
Re: So... - 04/12/2010 10:12:45 AM 973 Views
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uhm, duh, stonehedge. - 04/12/2010 07:11:44 PM 922 Views
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So it's my evidence against your non-evidence? - 04/12/2010 06:05:41 AM 1010 Views
why are you assuming that all souls are the same? - 04/12/2010 07:18:10 PM 1225 Views
1. You're wrong. 2. Even if you're right, how would they know? - 03/12/2010 05:28:33 AM 1187 Views
Maybe, but I bet they can spell it. - 03/12/2010 05:43:28 AM 1027 Views
Incidentally, wouldn't that mean it is safer to go to Tel'aran'rhiod in the flesh? *NM* - 03/12/2010 09:35:21 PM 474 Views
I'm more inclined to believe that being killed in the flesh in TAR - 04/12/2010 07:35:15 PM 886 Views
Where does that reasoning begin? - 04/12/2010 07:53:42 PM 1466 Views
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But human souls don't go to Tel'aran'rhiod, from what we know. - 04/12/2010 11:19:53 PM 869 Views
maybe it does? - 05/12/2010 12:18:05 AM 1205 Views
So do we have any reason to believe this is the case? *NM* - 05/12/2010 02:48:48 AM 465 Views
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I'm pondering too - 05/12/2010 03:04:10 PM 1027 Views
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that would have been decidedly clever. *NM* - 04/12/2010 07:18:52 PM 464 Views

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