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Hitler told the Jews ahead of time what he had planned for them: why are they so bitter? Cannoli Send a noteboard - 06/12/2010 12:52:08 PM
I can understand the writing style of BS really turning people off, but we kind of had to expect this of the middle of the "final book", didn't we? I mean, when RJ died, a good portion of tGS was either written or at least well prepared, and since BS has already stated before that the ending has been written by RJ, its safe to assume that AMoL will still have a good portion of RJ left in it. I personally don't hate BS's style; it takes some getting used to, but I don't think its as atrocious as people are making it out to be.
But it suffers in comparison to Jordan's. The dialogue that is a hideous, anachronistic combination of slangy & abrupt, and stilted & jargon and completely out of character for everyone. The stream of consciousness that makes characters supposedly at the apogee of their maturity and intellectual development sound come across childish and stupid compared to the earlier versions. For example, in Sanderson's portrayal of Aviendha, he has her slowly coming around to grasp a new concept of the problems facing the Aiel... that Jordan had her articulate back in book 6! Sanderson's vision of her development and growth is that she is just now arriving at a stage Jordan had her at half the series ago. He plainly has only the loosest understanding of these characters and has barely demonstrated any grasp of the overall themes, especially regarding the lines along which he choose to split the books.

I personally rather liked ToM. tGS was much better (my second favorite of the series), but it was still good, considering we do have CoT and WH to look back on. Sure, there were moments when I cringed, but there were moments like that in tGS as well (Rand shaking his fist at the DO, anyone?).
Pointing out flaws in the SAME AUTHOR'S WORK does not disprove the case against that author's writing! You don't defend Sanderson by saying that tGS wasn't perfect.
I thought Mat was written well, and while I know certain things are just not gonna be explained, I'm okay with that. Maybe its just me; I've been reading since I was 2, and over the years I've come to accept that things don't always have to be explained. Not saying that those of you who want everything explained are wrong; just saying that is who I am.
You are literally the first person I have seen complaining that ToM did not explain enough or reveal enough mysteries. In general, I think if you were to tell people that you think that the same book which reveals who killed Asmodean did not do enough to clear up mysteries, they would look at you like you grew a second head.

Anyway, I guess this thread is really just a rant thread for those who want to voice their ire, their frustration, and their outright hate for ToM. I would like to understand why.
Because it sucks. It falls apart like someone attempting to build a house of cards while drunk and having set up the first level (tGS) by dumb luck, has now had the whole thing come collapsing down by his attempt to place another row atop them. tGS is only acceptable when you don't know what was supposed to be going on. When the greater story intended in aMoL is exposed by the farce of ToM, now you see how badly Sanderson botched the suspense of the Graendal story, screwed up Aviendha's story (does anyone REALLY think St. Rand is going to abandon the Aiel? That should have been kept before Rand's apotheosis on Dragonmount), and unecessarily dragged out Perrin's plotline to make it fill a third of a book.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
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Deus Vult!
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Whats with all the hate? - 05/12/2010 03:46:29 PM 1810 Views
I think all the hate is mainly because BS got some stuff wrong - 05/12/2010 04:02:25 PM 1188 Views
well it's a fan-site so we're nit-picky - 05/12/2010 04:14:34 PM 1018 Views
Re: well it's a fan-site so we're nit-picky - 05/12/2010 04:18:15 PM 877 Views
Sanderson just makes him too much of a clown for me - 05/12/2010 04:21:34 PM 1031 Views
I've posted this once or twice before, but - 05/12/2010 06:04:55 PM 1021 Views
hater gotta hate! *strikes a pose* *NM* - 05/12/2010 06:31:03 PM 419 Views
and lovers gotta love? Uncritically? *NM* *NM* - 05/12/2010 08:22:13 PM 415 Views
Lovers can love and still be critical. - 05/12/2010 08:46:40 PM 803 Views
Re: Lovers can love and still be critical. - 05/12/2010 09:03:16 PM 980 Views
This. - 05/12/2010 09:19:24 PM 1019 Views
exactly. ToM had it's flaws, but it was still satisfying - 05/12/2010 10:39:58 PM 791 Views
Hate is such a strong word.... - 05/12/2010 07:35:04 PM 1097 Views
Re: Hate is such a strong word.... - 05/12/2010 08:25:23 PM 999 Views
Re: Hate is such a strong word.... - 05/12/2010 09:07:27 PM 1192 Views
I agree with you on just about everything, but have you considered ... - 05/12/2010 10:59:50 PM 885 Views
I think there definitely IS more to come - 06/12/2010 01:11:00 AM 835 Views
I understand how people might be unhappy and frustrated - 06/12/2010 12:09:09 AM 853 Views
Very well put - 06/12/2010 01:23:23 AM 941 Views
I'd love to see a re-edit of ToM and TGS - 06/12/2010 01:10:00 AM 853 Views
Why Not - 06/12/2010 07:48:10 PM 785 Views
I imagine there will be an ebook that is reorganized that way. - 07/12/2010 01:43:33 AM 796 Views
I agree - 07/12/2010 03:17:56 AM 944 Views
Personally I don't get it. If I wanted to read Shakespeare I would've picked up Hamlet. - 05/12/2010 08:24:04 PM 793 Views
Re: Personally I don't get it. If I wanted to read Shakespeare I would've picked up Hamlet. - 05/12/2010 08:28:09 PM 902 Views
*lol* Hey man, to each his own! - 05/12/2010 08:41:51 PM 900 Views
Yeah, what's wrong with the Hobbit? - 05/12/2010 09:22:38 PM 1006 Views
*lol* You can still agree but not on everything! - 05/12/2010 11:36:55 PM 889 Views
Re: *lol* You can still agree but not on everything! - 06/12/2010 03:29:56 AM 995 Views
Re: *lol* You can still agree but not on everything! - 07/12/2010 12:03:47 AM 878 Views
Hitler told the Jews ahead of time what he had planned for them: why are they so bitter? - 06/12/2010 12:52:08 PM 1068 Views
While I think TOM was far superior to the execrable TGS - 07/12/2010 10:01:38 AM 770 Views
Character Stupidity, inaction. - 06/12/2010 07:42:51 PM 962 Views
Wow. I had no idea people felt this way. - 07/12/2010 03:30:08 AM 958 Views
Similarly short, similar number of Perrin/Faile/Shaido chapters, - 07/12/2010 09:59:48 AM 862 Views
Take out the cleansing and what happened in WH? - 08/12/2010 03:52:31 AM 941 Views
Mat and Tuon, Elayne and Andor, and the Shaido Plot; as in COT - 08/12/2010 06:12:19 AM 838 Views
Point. - 08/12/2010 09:15:50 PM 814 Views

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