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Re: Agreed. Knowledge is power when it comes to channeling. DomA Send a noteboard - 03/01/2011 11:07:20 PM
Especially in a fight for your life that isn't a neat duel with both sides agreeing to certain rules. There is a reason why the most "powerful" Forsaken fell first, and it has to do with how they applied their skills and personality to the situation as a whole - not just the battlefield. The Alivia vs Cyndane fight was illuminating because a skill which the Forsaken take for granted, and probably learned before sophomore year of Channeling University can allow them to match less-skilled but more powerful channelers.


And the irony is that reversing webs, or even hiding your ability (for women) probably were just "good manners" once! At least I'm pretty convinced the whole point of hiding your ability was simply not to display the glow of saidar, and the same for reversed webs. There were probably used most when displays of channelling could have been impolite/annoying/distracting to people around you (that would happen often in a society with many AS), and for security/discretion motives, for instance to protect a weave to unlock a personal ter'angreal, to make or unmake a ward on personal stuff, or to use the ATM and such. In the WOS, like so many other refined niceties of the AOL (like Gateways...), this was turned to lethal use.
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How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? malekithe - 31/12/2010 08:03:39 PM 3843 Views
As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP darius_sedai - 31/12/2010 08:33:47 PM 1786 Views
Re: As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP malekithe - 31/12/2010 11:54:57 PM 1546 Views
RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes *NM* darius_sedai - 01/01/2011 05:59:37 AM 961 Views
Re: RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes malekithe - 01/01/2011 06:43:09 AM 1370 Views
Dude, he calls it out specifically. Cyndane beat Alivia because of her skill darius_sedai - 01/01/2011 03:22:48 PM 1402 Views
Search for "Alivia" moratcorlm - 01/01/2011 05:58:53 PM 1320 Views
nothing on either url *NM* malekithe - 01/01/2011 11:02:05 PM 609 Views
Try spelling it correctly then moratcorlm - 02/01/2011 01:30:23 AM 1287 Views
I did, maybe you made the mistake malekithe - 02/01/2011 07:13:54 PM 1073 Views
Re: I did, maybe you made the mistake moratcorlm - 02/01/2011 07:51:22 PM 1198 Views
Here are few other quotes establishing how little Alivia knows of the OP darius_sedai - 02/01/2011 07:39:36 PM 1309 Views
Damane don't know about reversed weaves Skeeve the Great - 31/12/2010 09:56:51 PM 1456 Views
Re: Damane don't know about reversed weaves malekithe - 31/12/2010 11:48:15 PM 1255 Views
Re: Damane don't know about reversed weaves Demortae - 01/01/2011 01:18:50 AM 1244 Views
How did *Alivia* survive? redqueen - 01/01/2011 12:45:29 AM 1585 Views
Re: How did *Alivia* survive? malekithe - 01/01/2011 01:26:09 AM 1376 Views
Yes, odd. redqueen - 01/01/2011 01:45:01 AM 1283 Views
Nicola wasn't the dragon reborn with the pattern bending around her Helene - 02/01/2011 12:24:50 PM 1171 Views
Not really ... Rand has had LTT knowledge leaking into his head for a long time darius_sedai - 02/01/2011 07:13:41 PM 1207 Views
reversed weaves are only useful when dealing with someone who doesn't know they exist. Onarishma - 03/01/2011 07:51:01 PM 1100 Views
Depends on the circumstances really darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 02:17:29 PM 1245 Views
but why would she have any idea that Nynaeve would be able to resist her. Onarishma - 10/01/2011 07:30:49 PM 1175 Views
Well she did get attacked right off the bat... Pretty indicative that Nyn resist her compulsion darius_sedai - 11/01/2011 12:56:51 AM 1159 Views
Exactly. which is why she didn't have time to do any "fancy" and time consuming reversing. Onarishma - 11/01/2011 03:23:50 PM 1302 Views
that's where she made her mistake darius_sedai - 11/01/2011 04:47:56 PM 1105 Views
It would be these memories, his t'a'veren nature & sheer luck/plot necessity that gave him the edge RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/01/2011 10:32:43 PM 1209 Views
Well that was always going to happen DrJacJacMcScrumptious - 03/01/2011 11:41:22 PM 1164 Views
Yes. As I said, it would have been a very different series. Thanks for going into detail ! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/01/2011 04:47:51 PM 1170 Views
agreed darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 02:18:23 PM 1204 Views
Re: How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? damer - 01/01/2011 12:56:54 AM 1364 Views
Re: How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? Demortae - 01/01/2011 01:13:39 AM 1284 Views
She's just that good ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 01/01/2011 01:48:26 AM 1254 Views
magic *NM* fistofpainx - 01/01/2011 08:17:16 PM 562 Views
Cyndane injured Alivia, yes, but Alivia fought Cyndane off. Heiko - 02/01/2011 12:36:12 AM 1300 Views
Re: Cyndane injured Alivia, yes, but Alivia fought Cyndane off. Voscaia Sedai - 02/01/2011 09:56:34 AM 1230 Views
Yup. Joel - 02/01/2011 03:12:39 PM 1182 Views
Small correction - It has not been established that Alivia is stronger than Cyndane unaided... Shannow - 02/01/2011 06:02:53 PM 1194 Views
Alivia has little experience fighting channellers, unlike Lanfear (most likely)... DomA - 03/01/2011 12:56:43 AM 1602 Views
I agree with you moratcorlm - 03/01/2011 01:08:35 AM 1234 Views
Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector... Shannow - 03/01/2011 07:01:08 AM 1302 Views
Where do you get this idea? *NM* moratcorlm - 03/01/2011 07:19:50 PM 677 Views
Well, he's definitely right he was commenting on one of the specific ter'angreal in her "net". DomA - 03/01/2011 10:51:09 PM 1257 Views
I'm thinking there are 2 items that break webs in different ways darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 07:51:46 PM 1220 Views
Very interesting point. I never noticed that before... Shannow - 05/01/2011 08:02:52 AM 1168 Views
Cadsuane has two types of weavebreakers... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2011 12:51:38 PM 1054 Views
inconclusive ... the ornament may be the same one she used to disrupt Semirhage darius_sedai - 05/01/2011 04:09:39 PM 1130 Views
I'm confused... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2011 06:15:06 PM 1132 Views
Why should Cadsuane's "distance" unraveler not also go cold at nearby channeling? Shannow - 05/01/2011 06:51:49 PM 1142 Views
I'd buy this. Myrdhyn - 05/01/2011 07:12:50 PM 1115 Views
Except Cyndane had never heard of a ter'angreal that can unravel weaves... Shannow - 05/01/2011 07:18:58 PM 1037 Views
Not necessarily. Myrdhyn - 05/01/2011 09:26:49 PM 1150 Views
I doubt it since LTT claims they created the "first" ones in the AOL darius_sedai - 08/01/2011 05:23:53 PM 1076 Views
The first paralis nets, not necessarily the first weave breakers. Myrdhyn - 09/01/2011 09:53:56 PM 1135 Views
Maybe, but that's getting really convoluted darius_sedai - 10/01/2011 03:36:17 AM 992 Views
Agreed Myrdhyn - 10/01/2011 05:14:45 PM 1102 Views
I don't remember if the AS Symbol was used prior to the AOL ... if so then it's possible *NM* darius_sedai - 10/01/2011 05:55:38 PM 608 Views
It would fit the various scenarios if she had 2 kinds ... darius_sedai - 05/01/2011 03:53:48 PM 1113 Views
Because Demandred said so... Shannow - 04/01/2011 07:28:56 AM 1184 Views
Re: Because Demandred said so... moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 08:45:38 AM 1222 Views
Well there you have it, then... Shannow - 04/01/2011 09:24:38 AM 1089 Views
Contortions moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 09:56:11 AM 8079 Views
If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ. Shannow - 04/01/2011 10:07:30 AM 1080 Views
Re: If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ. moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 10:35:45 AM 1269 Views
I don't think Rand is referring to the system as an indivisible whole. Shannow - 04/01/2011 10:45:24 AM 1224 Views
Besides, he knew of the Well from their previous visit to Far Madding... Shannow - 04/01/2011 11:18:39 AM 1190 Views
It's also possible that a Paralis Net is simply a name for any personal system darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 09:23:18 PM 1280 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/01/2011 07:08:19 PM 1149 Views
Re: Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector... DomA - 03/01/2011 10:01:00 PM 1200 Views
I cannot remember Semirhage's reference to a paralis net, but if she did do so, it is problematic... Shannow - 04/01/2011 07:31:24 AM 1129 Views
It's a throw-away line moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 08:48:25 AM 1231 Views
I had the opposite view of the WO Dreamwalkers vs the Wolves in the Wolf-dream RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/01/2011 05:07:56 PM 1218 Views
Agreed. Knowledge is power when it comes to channeling. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/01/2011 10:26:37 PM 1125 Views
Re: Agreed. Knowledge is power when it comes to channeling. DomA - 03/01/2011 11:07:20 PM 1238 Views
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