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If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ. Shannow Send a noteboard - 04/01/2011 10:07:30 AM
Simpler than this paralis-net-of-the-gaps argument is to say that the paralis-net is, in fact, the entire set of ornaments and, if that's incompatible with Demandred's statements in WH, then it's a continuity problem.

And one that, if it's ever resolved, will likely end up with Demandred's statement edited rather than Rand's.


It is pretty clear from RJ's Cleansing scene that neither Demandred nor Lanfear had encountered the two most striking effects of Cadsuane's ornaments before. RJ was crystal clear in that respect.

What we're left with is that either Sanderson made a mistake when he had Semirhage allude to the paralis net, and again when Lews Therin referred to it, or else the paralis net in its Age of Legends form did not include those two functions.

The fact that the "paralis net" had an official name at all, makes it more likely that it existed in the Age of Legends, and therefore the logical answer is that Lews Therin and Semirhage's paralis nets served a different purpose to saidin detection and weave unravelling.

It might even be that a paralis net is merely some sort of mounting system for other angreal and ter'angreal to be attached to.

Fact is, RJ stated unambiguously in the case of two seperate Forsaken that Cadsuane's effects were unknown in the Age of Legends. Why would Sanderson know better than him?
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How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? malekithe - 31/12/2010 08:03:39 PM 3842 Views
As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP darius_sedai - 31/12/2010 08:33:47 PM 1785 Views
Re: As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP malekithe - 31/12/2010 11:54:57 PM 1545 Views
RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes *NM* darius_sedai - 01/01/2011 05:59:37 AM 960 Views
Re: RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes malekithe - 01/01/2011 06:43:09 AM 1369 Views
Dude, he calls it out specifically. Cyndane beat Alivia because of her skill darius_sedai - 01/01/2011 03:22:48 PM 1401 Views
Search for "Alivia" moratcorlm - 01/01/2011 05:58:53 PM 1319 Views
nothing on either url *NM* malekithe - 01/01/2011 11:02:05 PM 608 Views
Try spelling it correctly then moratcorlm - 02/01/2011 01:30:23 AM 1286 Views
I did, maybe you made the mistake malekithe - 02/01/2011 07:13:54 PM 1073 Views
Re: I did, maybe you made the mistake moratcorlm - 02/01/2011 07:51:22 PM 1198 Views
Here are few other quotes establishing how little Alivia knows of the OP darius_sedai - 02/01/2011 07:39:36 PM 1309 Views
Damane don't know about reversed weaves Skeeve the Great - 31/12/2010 09:56:51 PM 1455 Views
Re: Damane don't know about reversed weaves malekithe - 31/12/2010 11:48:15 PM 1254 Views
Re: Damane don't know about reversed weaves Demortae - 01/01/2011 01:18:50 AM 1244 Views
How did *Alivia* survive? redqueen - 01/01/2011 12:45:29 AM 1584 Views
Re: How did *Alivia* survive? malekithe - 01/01/2011 01:26:09 AM 1375 Views
Yes, odd. redqueen - 01/01/2011 01:45:01 AM 1282 Views
Nicola wasn't the dragon reborn with the pattern bending around her Helene - 02/01/2011 12:24:50 PM 1171 Views
Not really ... Rand has had LTT knowledge leaking into his head for a long time darius_sedai - 02/01/2011 07:13:41 PM 1207 Views
reversed weaves are only useful when dealing with someone who doesn't know they exist. Onarishma - 03/01/2011 07:51:01 PM 1099 Views
Depends on the circumstances really darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 02:17:29 PM 1245 Views
but why would she have any idea that Nynaeve would be able to resist her. Onarishma - 10/01/2011 07:30:49 PM 1174 Views
Well she did get attacked right off the bat... Pretty indicative that Nyn resist her compulsion darius_sedai - 11/01/2011 12:56:51 AM 1158 Views
Exactly. which is why she didn't have time to do any "fancy" and time consuming reversing. Onarishma - 11/01/2011 03:23:50 PM 1301 Views
that's where she made her mistake darius_sedai - 11/01/2011 04:47:56 PM 1104 Views
It would be these memories, his t'a'veren nature & sheer luck/plot necessity that gave him the edge RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/01/2011 10:32:43 PM 1208 Views
Well that was always going to happen DrJacJacMcScrumptious - 03/01/2011 11:41:22 PM 1164 Views
Yes. As I said, it would have been a very different series. Thanks for going into detail ! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/01/2011 04:47:51 PM 1169 Views
agreed darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 02:18:23 PM 1203 Views
Re: How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? damer - 01/01/2011 12:56:54 AM 1364 Views
Re: How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? Demortae - 01/01/2011 01:13:39 AM 1283 Views
She's just that good ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 01/01/2011 01:48:26 AM 1253 Views
magic *NM* fistofpainx - 01/01/2011 08:17:16 PM 561 Views
Cyndane injured Alivia, yes, but Alivia fought Cyndane off. Heiko - 02/01/2011 12:36:12 AM 1300 Views
Re: Cyndane injured Alivia, yes, but Alivia fought Cyndane off. Voscaia Sedai - 02/01/2011 09:56:34 AM 1229 Views
Yup. Joel - 02/01/2011 03:12:39 PM 1181 Views
Small correction - It has not been established that Alivia is stronger than Cyndane unaided... Shannow - 02/01/2011 06:02:53 PM 1194 Views
Alivia has little experience fighting channellers, unlike Lanfear (most likely)... DomA - 03/01/2011 12:56:43 AM 1602 Views
I agree with you moratcorlm - 03/01/2011 01:08:35 AM 1233 Views
Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector... Shannow - 03/01/2011 07:01:08 AM 1301 Views
Where do you get this idea? *NM* moratcorlm - 03/01/2011 07:19:50 PM 676 Views
Well, he's definitely right he was commenting on one of the specific ter'angreal in her "net". DomA - 03/01/2011 10:51:09 PM 1256 Views
I'm thinking there are 2 items that break webs in different ways darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 07:51:46 PM 1219 Views
Very interesting point. I never noticed that before... Shannow - 05/01/2011 08:02:52 AM 1167 Views
Cadsuane has two types of weavebreakers... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2011 12:51:38 PM 1053 Views
inconclusive ... the ornament may be the same one she used to disrupt Semirhage darius_sedai - 05/01/2011 04:09:39 PM 1129 Views
I'm confused... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2011 06:15:06 PM 1132 Views
Why should Cadsuane's "distance" unraveler not also go cold at nearby channeling? Shannow - 05/01/2011 06:51:49 PM 1142 Views
I'd buy this. Myrdhyn - 05/01/2011 07:12:50 PM 1115 Views
Except Cyndane had never heard of a ter'angreal that can unravel weaves... Shannow - 05/01/2011 07:18:58 PM 1036 Views
Not necessarily. Myrdhyn - 05/01/2011 09:26:49 PM 1149 Views
I doubt it since LTT claims they created the "first" ones in the AOL darius_sedai - 08/01/2011 05:23:53 PM 1076 Views
The first paralis nets, not necessarily the first weave breakers. Myrdhyn - 09/01/2011 09:53:56 PM 1134 Views
Maybe, but that's getting really convoluted darius_sedai - 10/01/2011 03:36:17 AM 991 Views
Agreed Myrdhyn - 10/01/2011 05:14:45 PM 1101 Views
I don't remember if the AS Symbol was used prior to the AOL ... if so then it's possible *NM* darius_sedai - 10/01/2011 05:55:38 PM 608 Views
It would fit the various scenarios if she had 2 kinds ... darius_sedai - 05/01/2011 03:53:48 PM 1112 Views
Because Demandred said so... Shannow - 04/01/2011 07:28:56 AM 1184 Views
Re: Because Demandred said so... moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 08:45:38 AM 1221 Views
Well there you have it, then... Shannow - 04/01/2011 09:24:38 AM 1088 Views
Contortions moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 09:56:11 AM 8078 Views
If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ. Shannow - 04/01/2011 10:07:30 AM 1080 Views
Re: If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ. moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 10:35:45 AM 1269 Views
I don't think Rand is referring to the system as an indivisible whole. Shannow - 04/01/2011 10:45:24 AM 1223 Views
Besides, he knew of the Well from their previous visit to Far Madding... Shannow - 04/01/2011 11:18:39 AM 1189 Views
It's also possible that a Paralis Net is simply a name for any personal system darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 09:23:18 PM 1279 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/01/2011 07:08:19 PM 1148 Views
Re: Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector... DomA - 03/01/2011 10:01:00 PM 1200 Views
I cannot remember Semirhage's reference to a paralis net, but if she did do so, it is problematic... Shannow - 04/01/2011 07:31:24 AM 1128 Views
It's a throw-away line moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 08:48:25 AM 1230 Views
I had the opposite view of the WO Dreamwalkers vs the Wolves in the Wolf-dream RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/01/2011 05:07:56 PM 1218 Views
Agreed. Knowledge is power when it comes to channeling. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/01/2011 10:26:37 PM 1125 Views
Re: Agreed. Knowledge is power when it comes to channeling. DomA - 03/01/2011 11:07:20 PM 1237 Views
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