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Not necessarily. Myrdhyn Send a noteboard - 05/01/2011 09:26:49 PM
We know for sure that Mat's medallion came from the 'Finns. We also know a few other things:

1) The OP has existed/been used in other ages besides the AOL and 3rd age (portal stones prove this IMO)

2) The Finns collect objects of power and dole them out as they see fit/according to their bargains.

With the above in mind:

-Mat's medallion could easily pre-date the AOL, and I don't even think that's a stretch to say TBH.

-It's far more of a stretch, but not impossible, that Cad's ornaments also pre-date the AOL. Simple example of how would be desperate breaking-era channlers making deals/requests of the Finns for anything to help them.
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How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? malekithe - 31/12/2010 08:03:39 PM 3634 Views
As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP darius_sedai - 31/12/2010 08:33:47 PM 1682 Views
Re: As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP malekithe - 31/12/2010 11:54:57 PM 1422 Views
RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes *NM* darius_sedai - 01/01/2011 05:59:37 AM 891 Views
Re: RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes malekithe - 01/01/2011 06:43:09 AM 1275 Views
Dude, he calls it out specifically. Cyndane beat Alivia because of her skill darius_sedai - 01/01/2011 03:22:48 PM 1281 Views
Search for "Alivia" moratcorlm - 01/01/2011 05:58:53 PM 1218 Views
nothing on either url *NM* malekithe - 01/01/2011 11:02:05 PM 557 Views
Try spelling it correctly then moratcorlm - 02/01/2011 01:30:23 AM 1162 Views
I did, maybe you made the mistake malekithe - 02/01/2011 07:13:54 PM 986 Views
Re: I did, maybe you made the mistake moratcorlm - 02/01/2011 07:51:22 PM 1082 Views
Here are few other quotes establishing how little Alivia knows of the OP darius_sedai - 02/01/2011 07:39:36 PM 1232 Views
Damane don't know about reversed weaves Skeeve the Great - 31/12/2010 09:56:51 PM 1332 Views
Re: Damane don't know about reversed weaves malekithe - 31/12/2010 11:48:15 PM 1166 Views
Re: Damane don't know about reversed weaves Demortae - 01/01/2011 01:18:50 AM 1118 Views
How did *Alivia* survive? redqueen - 01/01/2011 12:45:29 AM 1467 Views
Re: How did *Alivia* survive? malekithe - 01/01/2011 01:26:09 AM 1266 Views
Yes, odd. redqueen - 01/01/2011 01:45:01 AM 1191 Views
Nicola wasn't the dragon reborn with the pattern bending around her Helene - 02/01/2011 12:24:50 PM 1084 Views
Not really ... Rand has had LTT knowledge leaking into his head for a long time darius_sedai - 02/01/2011 07:13:41 PM 1079 Views
reversed weaves are only useful when dealing with someone who doesn't know they exist. Onarishma - 03/01/2011 07:51:01 PM 998 Views
Depends on the circumstances really darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 02:17:29 PM 1143 Views
but why would she have any idea that Nynaeve would be able to resist her. Onarishma - 10/01/2011 07:30:49 PM 1082 Views
Well she did get attacked right off the bat... Pretty indicative that Nyn resist her compulsion darius_sedai - 11/01/2011 12:56:51 AM 1053 Views
Exactly. which is why she didn't have time to do any "fancy" and time consuming reversing. Onarishma - 11/01/2011 03:23:50 PM 1215 Views
that's where she made her mistake darius_sedai - 11/01/2011 04:47:56 PM 1026 Views
It would be these memories, his t'a'veren nature & sheer luck/plot necessity that gave him the edge RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/01/2011 10:32:43 PM 1125 Views
Well that was always going to happen DrJacJacMcScrumptious - 03/01/2011 11:41:22 PM 1063 Views
Yes. As I said, it would have been a very different series. Thanks for going into detail ! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/01/2011 04:47:51 PM 1038 Views
agreed darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 02:18:23 PM 1125 Views
Re: How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? damer - 01/01/2011 12:56:54 AM 1256 Views
Re: How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? Demortae - 01/01/2011 01:13:39 AM 1201 Views
She's just that good ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 01/01/2011 01:48:26 AM 1138 Views
magic *NM* fistofpainx - 01/01/2011 08:17:16 PM 518 Views
Cyndane injured Alivia, yes, but Alivia fought Cyndane off. Heiko - 02/01/2011 12:36:12 AM 1195 Views
Re: Cyndane injured Alivia, yes, but Alivia fought Cyndane off. Voscaia Sedai - 02/01/2011 09:56:34 AM 1149 Views
Yup. Joel - 02/01/2011 03:12:39 PM 1092 Views
Small correction - It has not been established that Alivia is stronger than Cyndane unaided... Shannow - 02/01/2011 06:02:53 PM 1103 Views
Alivia has little experience fighting channellers, unlike Lanfear (most likely)... DomA - 03/01/2011 12:56:43 AM 1474 Views
I agree with you moratcorlm - 03/01/2011 01:08:35 AM 1123 Views
Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector... Shannow - 03/01/2011 07:01:08 AM 1209 Views
Where do you get this idea? *NM* moratcorlm - 03/01/2011 07:19:50 PM 627 Views
Well, he's definitely right he was commenting on one of the specific ter'angreal in her "net". DomA - 03/01/2011 10:51:09 PM 1143 Views
I'm thinking there are 2 items that break webs in different ways darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 07:51:46 PM 1110 Views
Very interesting point. I never noticed that before... Shannow - 05/01/2011 08:02:52 AM 1050 Views
Cadsuane has two types of weavebreakers... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2011 12:51:38 PM 980 Views
inconclusive ... the ornament may be the same one she used to disrupt Semirhage darius_sedai - 05/01/2011 04:09:39 PM 1054 Views
I'm confused... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2011 06:15:06 PM 1037 Views
Why should Cadsuane's "distance" unraveler not also go cold at nearby channeling? Shannow - 05/01/2011 06:51:49 PM 1040 Views
I'd buy this. Myrdhyn - 05/01/2011 07:12:50 PM 1015 Views
Except Cyndane had never heard of a ter'angreal that can unravel weaves... Shannow - 05/01/2011 07:18:58 PM 938 Views
Not necessarily. Myrdhyn - 05/01/2011 09:26:49 PM 1042 Views
I doubt it since LTT claims they created the "first" ones in the AOL darius_sedai - 08/01/2011 05:23:53 PM 988 Views
The first paralis nets, not necessarily the first weave breakers. Myrdhyn - 09/01/2011 09:53:56 PM 1041 Views
Maybe, but that's getting really convoluted darius_sedai - 10/01/2011 03:36:17 AM 914 Views
Agreed Myrdhyn - 10/01/2011 05:14:45 PM 1013 Views
I don't remember if the AS Symbol was used prior to the AOL ... if so then it's possible *NM* darius_sedai - 10/01/2011 05:55:38 PM 564 Views
It would fit the various scenarios if she had 2 kinds ... darius_sedai - 05/01/2011 03:53:48 PM 1000 Views
Because Demandred said so... Shannow - 04/01/2011 07:28:56 AM 1081 Views
Re: Because Demandred said so... moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 08:45:38 AM 1108 Views
Well there you have it, then... Shannow - 04/01/2011 09:24:38 AM 962 Views
Contortions moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 09:56:11 AM 7927 Views
If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ. Shannow - 04/01/2011 10:07:30 AM 971 Views
Re: If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ. moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 10:35:45 AM 1143 Views
I don't think Rand is referring to the system as an indivisible whole. Shannow - 04/01/2011 10:45:24 AM 1085 Views
Besides, he knew of the Well from their previous visit to Far Madding... Shannow - 04/01/2011 11:18:39 AM 1080 Views
It's also possible that a Paralis Net is simply a name for any personal system darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 09:23:18 PM 1200 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/01/2011 07:08:19 PM 1051 Views
Re: Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector... DomA - 03/01/2011 10:01:00 PM 1105 Views
I cannot remember Semirhage's reference to a paralis net, but if she did do so, it is problematic... Shannow - 04/01/2011 07:31:24 AM 1036 Views
It's a throw-away line moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 08:48:25 AM 1136 Views
I had the opposite view of the WO Dreamwalkers vs the Wolves in the Wolf-dream RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/01/2011 05:07:56 PM 1114 Views
Agreed. Knowledge is power when it comes to channeling. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/01/2011 10:26:37 PM 1051 Views
Re: Agreed. Knowledge is power when it comes to channeling. DomA - 03/01/2011 11:07:20 PM 1142 Views
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