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Yes malekithe Send a noteboard - 31/01/2011 06:45:03 AM
wouldn't translate. That's what I thought Moghedien meant...


I agree, Im sure that Moghedian has said something to either Birgitte, or Nynaeve about how she could do anything to them in TAR and they would stay that way. Oh yes, she told Nynaeve that she would think she was a horse or a donkey and that she (Moggy) would ride on her back or somesuch. I think just like being killed in TAR kills you in real life (because you believe you've been killed, not because your body really was killed) whatever you believe is done to you in TAR could affect you in the real world too.

I also got the impression that Eggy and Mesaana were trying to crush each other. The air thickening suggested it to me.

Even if Messy wasn't doing the same thing, I thought Egwene was definitely trying to "crush" Mesaana by the ultimate effect. The imagery - insect v mountain - as well as the Amyrlin's own words indicate it.


I got the same thing, each was sending their will against one another, and Egwene's will was dominant and crushed Messana's mind.


I didn't think that fight was really about just the adam... I trust your analyses, but did I read it that wrongly? Do you at least see what I read from the text, in either or both instances?

a) Egwene doesn't have the knowledge necessary to do nasty things like this in TAR, not even snatching people by force into TAR from their dreams.

b) Moghedien explained to Nynaeve her tricks would work only in TAR. They would not hold in the real world.

So that leaves Compulsion, a weave Egwene knows but won't use in any circumstance...

A scheme like this Egwene would find repugnant, and it would not naturally occur to her as for all her curiosity she's never gave much thought to "nasty stuff". Her curiosity just doesn't lean that way.

"I got that Eggy "made" Mesaana into a drooling vegetable"

She didn't destroy Mesaana's mind, their contest to control TAR (which Egwene won) is what destroyed Mesaana's mind. She didn't change Mesaana permanently by imagining her with a destroyed mind or anything of the kind. Mesaana fried up her own mind by trying to hold the reality of the a'dam while Egwene denied its reality. The stronger mind won, the loser's mind was fried up.

This message last edited by malekithe on 31/01/2011 at 06:48:23 AM
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TOM SPOILERS 5 Imaginary Dollars to whoever can tell me why Egwene didn't find Elaida's dreams, newyorkersedai - 30/01/2011 10:18:03 PM 1583 Views
Inside Elaida's dreams, Elaida woukd be in control redhand - 30/01/2011 11:05:32 PM 1099 Views
Where have you got the idea Egwene or any Dreamer could do this? *NM* DomA - 30/01/2011 11:14:22 PM 487 Views
Remember Moggy fighting Nynaeve and Birgitte in TaR? newyorkersedai - 30/01/2011 11:30:37 PM 1138 Views
But that's in TAR Zeratul - 30/01/2011 11:42:25 PM 893 Views
I meant "to locate Elaida *via her dreams* and pull Elaida into TAR" newyorkersedai - 31/01/2011 12:18:13 AM 988 Views
as to that the WO told her flat out that such things were evil and only done by the Shadow darius_sedai - 31/01/2011 12:53:32 AM 878 Views
Need malekithe - 31/01/2011 06:40:10 AM 932 Views
"Need" should not be confused with "want". AshaShan - 31/01/2011 08:30:55 AM 854 Views
You are confusing being in TAR and finding/entering someone else's dream HyogaRott - 31/01/2011 02:24:56 PM 989 Views
The place with individual dreams isn't TAR Gher - 31/01/2011 08:49:42 PM 944 Views
Even then... you've forgotten that.... DomA - 31/01/2011 01:53:07 AM 993 Views
I read some of that differently. TaR tricks not working in the real world = destroying walls newyorkersedai - 31/01/2011 02:09:31 AM 995 Views
Yes malekithe - 31/01/2011 06:45:03 AM 966 Views
Re: Yes DomA - 31/01/2011 08:33:27 AM 904 Views
Re: Yes malekithe - 01/02/2011 05:15:28 PM 806 Views
That is not true... fionwe1987 - 31/01/2011 08:27:33 PM 940 Views
Thank you very much! I was wondering if I had to do a massive re-read newyorkersedai - 31/01/2011 11:50:13 PM 830 Views
Re: That is not true... DomA - 02/02/2011 12:21:59 PM 947 Views
Well, I wasn't going to suggest that Eggy go full-hardcore and break Elaida's (Lightside) mind. *NM* newyorkersedai - 02/02/2011 11:24:18 PM 402 Views
On another note: I wonder if finding Elaida via her Dreams and then Skimming to her would work. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 07:27:08 PM 927 Views
Dream finding doesn't reveal location. We've been told this repeatedly. *NM* fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:20:08 PM 374 Views
Re: That is not true... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:25:05 PM 1310 Views
Most Aes Sedai ward their dreams. ranagrande - 31/01/2011 01:49:49 AM 993 Views
They ward them with Spirit, and Elaida is a damane... *NM* DomA - 31/01/2011 01:55:27 AM 408 Views
Yup... Nargs - 31/01/2011 05:58:29 PM 816 Views
You sure on that? HyogaRott - 31/01/2011 02:29:43 PM 865 Views
They DO ward their dreams... Nargs - 31/01/2011 05:56:51 PM 816 Views
Re: They DO ward their dreams... Watcher - 31/01/2011 06:27:03 PM 852 Views
Re: DO They ward their dreams... HyogaRott - 02/02/2011 02:46:12 PM 766 Views
external threats.... Onarishma - 03/02/2011 05:06:58 PM 841 Views
Re: external threats.... HyogaRott - 03/02/2011 11:01:42 PM 849 Views
Re: TOM SPOILERS 5 Imaginary Dollars to whoever can tell me why Egwene didn't find Elaida's dreams, ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 04/02/2011 05:10:49 AM 807 Views
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