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That is not true... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 31/01/2011 08:27:33 PM
a) Egwene doesn't have the knowledge necessary to do nasty things like this in TAR, not even snatching people by force into TAR from their dreams.

She knows how to do this.

Or, with a hooking sort of motion, like rolling a fragile bead across a tabletop, she could snatch Nynaeve out, into a dream of her own making, a part of Tel'aran'rhiod itself, where she was in complete control. She was sure that would work. Of course, that was one of the forbidden things, and she did not think Nynaeve would appreciate it.

So show knows how to do it, though she hasn't tried.

b) Moghedien explained to Nynaeve her tricks would work only in TAR. They would not hold in the real world.

It did work with Mesaana though:

"In this place, an a'dam is as meaningless as the weaves it prevents," Egwene said. "It is only a piece of metal. And it only will stop you if you accept that it will." The a'dam unlocked and fell free of her neck...

Neither broke her gaze. Egwene felt something press against her, as it had before. Mesaana's will , demanding her subservience, her supplication. An attempt to use Tel'aran'rhiod to change the very way that Egwene thought...

Neither woman looked away. Egwene began to push back, to demand
that Mesaana bow before her, before the Amyrlin. The air began to feel heavy around them, and when Egwene breathed it in, it seemed thick somehow.


So Egwene could have snapped Elaida's mind in a similar fashion (even more easily than with Mesaana). She wouldn't for moral reasons.

She didn't change Mesaana permanently by imagining her with a destroyed mind or anything of the kind. Mesaana fried up her own mind by trying to hold the reality of the a'dam while Egwene denied its reality.

Not the a'dam. Each tried to bend the other to their will. The weaker will snapped.
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TOM SPOILERS 5 Imaginary Dollars to whoever can tell me why Egwene didn't find Elaida's dreams, newyorkersedai - 30/01/2011 10:18:03 PM 1640 Views
Inside Elaida's dreams, Elaida woukd be in control redhand - 30/01/2011 11:05:32 PM 1170 Views
Where have you got the idea Egwene or any Dreamer could do this? *NM* DomA - 30/01/2011 11:14:22 PM 525 Views
Remember Moggy fighting Nynaeve and Birgitte in TaR? newyorkersedai - 30/01/2011 11:30:37 PM 1208 Views
But that's in TAR Zeratul - 30/01/2011 11:42:25 PM 945 Views
I meant "to locate Elaida *via her dreams* and pull Elaida into TAR" newyorkersedai - 31/01/2011 12:18:13 AM 1054 Views
as to that the WO told her flat out that such things were evil and only done by the Shadow darius_sedai - 31/01/2011 12:53:32 AM 945 Views
Need malekithe - 31/01/2011 06:40:10 AM 1009 Views
"Need" should not be confused with "want". AshaShan - 31/01/2011 08:30:55 AM 921 Views
You are confusing being in TAR and finding/entering someone else's dream HyogaRott - 31/01/2011 02:24:56 PM 1055 Views
The place with individual dreams isn't TAR Gher - 31/01/2011 08:49:42 PM 1000 Views
Even then... you've forgotten that.... DomA - 31/01/2011 01:53:07 AM 1055 Views
I read some of that differently. TaR tricks not working in the real world = destroying walls newyorkersedai - 31/01/2011 02:09:31 AM 1056 Views
Yes malekithe - 31/01/2011 06:45:03 AM 1043 Views
Re: Yes DomA - 31/01/2011 08:33:27 AM 973 Views
Re: Yes malekithe - 01/02/2011 05:15:28 PM 883 Views
That is not true... fionwe1987 - 31/01/2011 08:27:33 PM 1007 Views
Thank you very much! I was wondering if I had to do a massive re-read newyorkersedai - 31/01/2011 11:50:13 PM 900 Views
Re: That is not true... DomA - 02/02/2011 12:21:59 PM 1015 Views
Well, I wasn't going to suggest that Eggy go full-hardcore and break Elaida's (Lightside) mind. *NM* newyorkersedai - 02/02/2011 11:24:18 PM 433 Views
On another note: I wonder if finding Elaida via her Dreams and then Skimming to her would work. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 07:27:08 PM 1010 Views
Dream finding doesn't reveal location. We've been told this repeatedly. *NM* fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:20:08 PM 406 Views
Re: That is not true... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:25:05 PM 1380 Views
Most Aes Sedai ward their dreams. ranagrande - 31/01/2011 01:49:49 AM 1082 Views
They ward them with Spirit, and Elaida is a damane... *NM* DomA - 31/01/2011 01:55:27 AM 450 Views
Yup... Nargs - 31/01/2011 05:58:29 PM 880 Views
You sure on that? HyogaRott - 31/01/2011 02:29:43 PM 934 Views
They DO ward their dreams... Nargs - 31/01/2011 05:56:51 PM 883 Views
Re: They DO ward their dreams... Watcher - 31/01/2011 06:27:03 PM 921 Views
Re: DO They ward their dreams... HyogaRott - 02/02/2011 02:46:12 PM 835 Views
external threats.... Onarishma - 03/02/2011 05:06:58 PM 909 Views
Re: external threats.... HyogaRott - 03/02/2011 11:01:42 PM 919 Views
Re: TOM SPOILERS 5 Imaginary Dollars to whoever can tell me why Egwene didn't find Elaida's dreams, ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 04/02/2011 05:10:49 AM 876 Views
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