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Re: I agree there are plenty of underdeveloped and somewhat one-sided relationships in the series Ava Send a noteboard - 29/04/2011 06:55:14 PM
To be fair, Egwene could probably fall back on the "it was fated to be" thing too, given her Dreams (the prophetic ones, not the wet dreams), and Min's visions. They did get a little build-up in the series, e.g. Eg's discovery that Gawyn liked her but was hiding it, Gawyn letting Siuan & co. escape the Tower being based at least partially on his liking for the Egster, and Gawyn and Eg's extended makeout sessions in Cairhien. So it's pretty much the same minimal amount of foreshadowing as any other relationship in WoT; a glimmer of attraction here and there and then BAM, married.

Insofar as power-balances go, there's a difference between compromise, and running rough-shod over someone. It's hard to do when one partner is significantly more powerful than the other, but I think Nyn and Lan have done a good job of finding a balance. So have Rand and Avi/Min/Elayne. Unfortunately, those two groups are the only ones. Everyone else is mostly treating their partner like a servant, eg the AS and their Warders. I agree that Egwene and Gawyn fall in this camp, but given that almost everybody in Randland does too, I disagree that their case is anything unusual. Annoying yes, unusual no.

As far as the Egginator herself, in the interest of full disclosure I have to admit that I really liked Egwene when she first became Amyrlin. For a junior wannabe to be dumped into the position of AS leader, in the middle of an AS civil war, on the losing side, and surrounded by the most viperish of all the AS, I think she did a damn fine job of holding her own. Her actions as prisoner in the Tower and the battle against the Seanchan were also a credit to her.

However, her reversal of position on the AS Oaths was one of the single dumbest things that any character has done in the series. Her current opposition to Rand, complete lack of regard for his knowledge or abilities, and determination to "make him see things her way" (which will almost certainly lose the LB for them if she succeeds), have also lost her much of what she gained. Long story short, Egs was awesome when she was kicking AS butt, but as of ToM, her rapid-onset Elaidification now that she's the "real" Amyrlin has severely set her back.
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Egwene vs. Gawyn (ToM spoilers of course) - 28/04/2011 05:01:46 AM 3917 Views
There's fifty feet of crap between rock bottom and your post... *NM* - 28/04/2011 07:40:04 AM 461 Views
Almost three days since the last post...at least I'm trying. - 28/04/2011 12:17:59 PM 915 Views
Sorry about that... - 28/04/2011 10:58:50 PM 977 Views
Ah, its always good to see a good Egwene rant. Bravo! NM *NM* - 28/04/2011 01:58:46 PM 703 Views
Great work, Cannoli - 28/04/2011 02:09:28 PM 936 Views
Regarding the mother's permission.... - 28/04/2011 07:26:29 PM 999 Views
while i agree with you on most of this - 28/04/2011 04:53:06 PM 1063 Views
hmpf, i post a good point and nothing - 28/04/2011 11:09:53 PM 843 Views
Everybody agrees with you, that's why there were no replies *NM* - 28/04/2011 11:29:13 PM 452 Views
Here's a scary thought - 28/04/2011 11:54:50 PM 1144 Views
OMGWTFBBQ!? - 28/04/2011 11:58:37 PM 899 Views
you could say the same about a lot of the relationships in this series - 28/04/2011 04:59:19 PM 1014 Views
I agree there are plenty of underdeveloped and somewhat one-sided relationships in the series - 28/04/2011 08:15:52 PM 1057 Views
Re: I agree there are plenty of underdeveloped and somewhat one-sided relationships in the series - 29/04/2011 06:55:14 PM 892 Views
Re: Avi/Min - 28/04/2011 09:48:01 PM 970 Views
In regards to the letters... - 28/04/2011 05:28:13 PM 1102 Views
But Gawyn was not Egwene's subject - 28/04/2011 06:09:31 PM 919 Views
Which was why I thought it was appropriate, since he meant to act as Egwene's Warder. - 28/04/2011 06:19:53 PM 884 Views
The only issue is that Warders are not minions - they are honored junior partners. - 28/04/2011 07:39:18 PM 1037 Views
No, the junior partners are Accepted. Warders are essentially personal bodyguards and/or assistants. - 28/04/2011 08:00:17 PM 836 Views
Marriage - 28/04/2011 08:27:53 PM 860 Views
Accepted are not anything, let alone junior partners. Don't think N&E's experience was typical - 28/04/2011 09:32:22 PM 1057 Views
Here's the thing though... - 28/04/2011 11:20:32 PM 889 Views
No, but it's cute and quirky when Faile does it. - 29/04/2011 03:06:50 PM 1052 Views
But... - 29/04/2011 10:52:03 PM 847 Views
That's not really clear - 29/04/2011 11:41:20 PM 980 Views
Actually, it is... - 30/04/2011 06:37:42 PM 990 Views
Re: Actually, it is... - 30/04/2011 11:17:21 PM 874 Views
Didn't Siuan, Gareth and Gawyn tell her about the Bloodknife they encountered? - 02/05/2011 02:33:08 PM 876 Views
It isn't the worst romance in WoT - 28/04/2011 08:10:23 PM 1187 Views
Re: It isn't the worst romance in WoT - 28/04/2011 08:25:31 PM 1102 Views
thumbs up to you both *NM* - 28/04/2011 08:45:51 PM 433 Views
Re: It isn't the worst romance in WoT - 28/04/2011 08:46:37 PM 1002 Views
Galad is a great option for a political marriage - 28/04/2011 09:04:46 PM 872 Views
Yes, but... - 28/04/2011 09:40:39 PM 913 Views
but galad knew nothing of berelain's closeness to rand, so that couldn't have affected anything - 28/04/2011 10:12:23 PM 948 Views
Exactly - 28/04/2011 10:27:04 PM 793 Views
Yes. An often overlooked point is that ELAYNE, not Egwene, gains the most power in ToM - 28/04/2011 09:42:43 PM 1248 Views
Except... - 28/04/2011 11:16:25 PM 910 Views
Well... - 29/04/2011 12:14:42 AM 860 Views
Re: Well... - 29/04/2011 08:39:37 AM 844 Views
Except they're both really hot. - 28/04/2011 10:01:46 PM 1045 Views
They were naive - 28/04/2011 11:10:34 PM 873 Views
Re: They were naive - 29/04/2011 03:18:42 PM 1113 Views
I can only quibble; Egwene became so insufferable in ToM I'm convinced her fate will be unpleasant. - 04/05/2011 12:41:53 AM 1010 Views
Siuan... - 04/05/2011 05:42:59 AM 1014 Views
Re: Siuan screwed up big time. - 07/05/2011 03:35:46 AM 889 Views
Re: Siuan screwed up big time. - 12/05/2011 02:13:08 PM 876 Views
"McClellanesque", eh? I'll have to remember that one. - 16/05/2011 12:12:23 AM 1150 Views

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