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Re: You know, most people don't need the Game of Houses to get their childhood friends to help crispy44x Send a noteboard - 04/12/2011 03:36:09 AM
So Rand claims that the difference between him and Lews Therin, and why the Shadow could not corrupt or break him, is “because of Tam, because of the people around me. (Min), Perrin, Nynaeve, Mat, Aviendha, Elayne, Moiraine.”

Notice any conspicuous omissions from that list? A certain someone he has known almost as long as Perrin, Mat & Nynaeve? A certain someone who has spent more time with him over the course of the series than even the mother of his children or his two closest friends? I’m just saying, that it’s funny how my long-standing view of who is and isn’t a good influence is corroborated by the champion of the Light at his ultimate peak of wisdom and transcendent insight. In addition, Uber-Rand’s first act upon his apotheosis is to set into motion a strategy dependent entirely on the presumption of Egwene’s reflexive opposition and automatic hostility to him or to a decisive step to defeat the Dark One.

Rand reaches a point of near divine awareness and judgment, and his brain goes right to the Cannoli-place. Think upon that, ye mortals, and despair.


To be honest, i didn't notice this when i read the book. Nice catch!

however, i think he disagrees with how the aei sedai believe they must act. He tells Nynaeve not to let them ruin her. Also, as we know, Egwene always jumps into things with her whole heart, and therefore, becomes something he doesn't really believe is the right way to live. So, its not that she wasn't a good influence.

Also, I don't believe he presumes taht she will reflexively oppose him... its just that he knows taht most people will reject the idea (i dunno... seems like back when LTT's plan was rejected) and who better to set to people gather than Egwene? Someone who works her hardest to do what she believes to be good and right? Just because he has reached a "divine awareness" (i like that wording )... doesn't mean he doesn't still understand the game of houses, and doesn't mean he will completely depend on his ta'veern nature to do what he feels must be done.



yes.. but i don't htink Rand expected her to approach her like a childhood friend... nor did I



eer... change that second her to him
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It's good to be right. Especially when you see Rand list his good influences in ToM Cannoli - 30/11/2011 03:24:55 PM 2137 Views
ToM shows that Rand has caught on to who Egwene is beetnemesis - 30/11/2011 03:49:34 PM 1074 Views
That's the really appalling part - it is so ingrained in her, that you can induce such specific acts Cannoli - 30/11/2011 04:38:07 PM 997 Views
This is clearly a Sandersonism... fionwe1987 - 01/12/2011 02:35:39 AM 942 Views
Of course it is... Zeratul - 01/12/2011 11:03:49 AM 879 Views
Well, she DID try to deflate his ego, but then she punished those who returned the favor to her. Cannoli - 01/12/2011 03:33:11 PM 1025 Views
Re: Of course it is... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2011 06:16:01 PM 976 Views
Can't think of a single time that Egwene was a good friend to Rand *NM* mogi67 - 01/12/2011 07:16:39 AM 494 Views
TGH, TFoH and TDR. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/12/2011 01:23:28 PM 429 Views
Bah, bull and pffft. Cannoli - 01/12/2011 03:26:07 PM 1033 Views
Re: It's good to be right. Especially when you see Rand list his good influences in ToM RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/12/2011 01:26:49 PM 927 Views
In tGH he was still immature and reflexively giving props to his love interest *NM* Cannoli - 01/12/2011 03:04:17 PM 516 Views
Re: In tGH he was still immature and reflexively giving props to his love interest RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/12/2011 02:39:47 AM 877 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 03/12/2011 09:13:13 AM 890 Views
Re: In tGH he was still immature and reflexively giving props to his love interest Cannoli - 04/12/2011 03:36:10 AM 1135 Views
Re: In tGH he was still immature and reflexively giving props to his love interest fionwe1987 - 04/12/2011 08:05:32 AM 964 Views
God, I can't stand Rand fanboys/girls. Some facts, please. The Angry Druid - 02/12/2011 06:12:14 PM 1454 Views
I can't stand people who don't know stuff but act like they do. Cannoli - 04/12/2011 03:23:47 AM 838 Views
Self-contradiction, much? fionwe1987 - 04/12/2011 08:20:00 AM 917 Views
No, just dealing with a fickle hypocrite. Cannoli - 05/12/2011 04:27:32 AM 992 Views
Re: No, just dealing with a fickle hypocrite. fionwe1987 - 05/12/2011 10:56:17 AM 860 Views
Except somehow, Egwene always ends up opposing him on the wrong stuff Cannoli - 05/12/2011 03:55:50 PM 1044 Views
Re: It's good to be right. Especially when you see Rand list his good influences in ToM crispy44x - 03/12/2011 12:42:02 AM 897 Views
You know, most people don't need the Game of Houses to get their childhood friends to help Cannoli - 04/12/2011 03:24:43 AM 881 Views
Re: You know, most people don't need the Game of Houses to get their childhood friends to help crispy44x - 04/12/2011 03:34:45 AM 885 Views
Re: You know, most people don't need the Game of Houses to get their childhood friends to help crispy44x - 04/12/2011 03:36:09 AM 857 Views
That's because he (and you, and I) had 18 years/11 books of her bitchery as a reference point Cannoli - 04/12/2011 03:37:16 AM 889 Views
Re: That's because he (and you, and I) had 18 years/11 books of her bitchery as a reference point crispy44x - 04/12/2011 03:38:22 AM 856 Views
Dude, seriously, look into the Edit Message function. Cannoli - 04/12/2011 03:50:43 AM 1054 Views
HAHA, hard to argue that one! crispy44x - 04/12/2011 03:39:45 AM 925 Views
Of course there's the fact that by most people's standards.... DomA - 06/12/2011 12:31:13 PM 1033 Views
About Cadsuane... Cannoli - 06/12/2011 05:22:39 PM 1017 Views
Re: It's good to be right. Especially when you see Rand list his good influences in ToM echooff - 06/12/2011 04:43:43 PM 737 Views
Go Egwene! Sidious - 09/12/2011 07:47:47 AM 877 Views
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