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Re: No, just dealing with a fickle hypocrite. fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 05/12/2011 10:56:17 AM
Yes. She helped him when she thought he was in the wrong, and when it became clear that he had a special dispensation, that was when she REALLY started getting down on him. From the very first words after it becomes clear what his importance is at Falme, when despite feeling the ta'veren pull as well as noting Min's obvious connection, she's trying to warn Min (a person the Pattern thinks he needs) away from him. When he's a mere soon-to-be crazy channeler, she's cool with letting him run loose and hiding him from people who might have saved his life and more importantly (both objectively and probably in his own eyes) kept him from hurting anyone else. Once it becomes clear that he is so much more important than she, she starts bad-mouthing him and he get's no more help from her.

8} Wanr Min away from him? With a statement that he's a male chaneller and hence bound to go mad? That was a statement of an inevitable fact, born out of a jealous need to keep a woman she likes away from her boyfriend.

And Bashere watched him all but snap right before his eyes, but as he points out to Rand, crazy or not, he's still the indispensable figure.

So? When Egwene comes out in favor of imprisoning, gentling or killing Rand, you'd have a point. She's wary of his mental state, worried that he isn't doing everything right, especially when there's a chance that quite apart from madness, the advice of a possible Black sister may be informing his actions. If you want to tell me that Bashere wouldn't be similarly worried if he got such reports...

In the same book where the uncle & heir to a powerful monarch and one of the five greatest generals alive tells Rand "The world must follow you or fail," Egwene is saying that she will not lead Aes Sedai to follow "him or any man." And calls the idea of swearing fealty to him "...ridiculous, of course..." And this was a mere book after she observed Moiraine, killer of two Forsaken, and rightfully the greatest hero in the history of the White Tower, bar none (Nynaeve was still warming up) give that exact same oath! Who is Egwene, who is Sheriam or Romanda or Lelaine, to refuse what Moiraine Damodred could humble herself to do?

Nothing at all, except Moiraine made it clear she swore fealty so she could continue influencing Rand. The whole Tower did not have such a need at that point, and neither did Egwene.

And where exactly do you get the idea that just because the man is the prophesied savior, people should bend over backwards to accommodate him and do exactly what he says? Its one thing to demand that they don't actively work to constrain or cripple him like Elaida. Its entirely different to say everyone should swear fealty. The way the Pattern works, the criticism and opposition from Rand's friends and allies, and his own reactions to them play as much of a part towards his eventual success as anything else. After all, Nynaeve could have made a fatalistic choice to oppose nothing the Dragon does, and let him rain down destruction on the Borderlander army. Cadsuane could have accepted his dangerous emotional state. Tam could have refused to speak to and help his son. After all, no matter how crazy and murderous he gets, he's the Dragon Reborn, so let him do as he likes, swear fealty and shut up, right?
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