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Re: I thought Moiraine saw Moridin or somebody in there looking for Lanfear? Sidious Send a noteboard - 23/02/2012 02:14:05 PM
Yeah, Moiraine's really tough when she has a good shot at your back, and Lanfear is an unhinged lunatic coasting on the power of the Dark One. For people who can manipulate reality, they ARE easy meat. Rand was protected by the treaties.

They were probably unconscious, which is the point.

Why would Lanfear not be similarly comatose?

I'm sure she was, that's the point.

Than who was the guy who came in, looked at Moiraine and pretty much said "No, not her. Who else do you have?" I don't have the books handy, but I thought Moiraine told Mat & Thom about someone who was shown her, but was actually seeking someone else.

Yes I forgot about that, but it is possible that she was dead and they told Moridin that. Alternatively he purchased her somehow, but I'm not sure how killing her later would benefit him.


Why? If she got drained all the way, how would she come back weaker? Either she would be the same as she was before falling in, or she would be totally gone. Why would she be reincarnated or put in a new body at partial strength? The most likely explanation is that Moridin came and ransomed her back before all that much of her strength was drained, or at least killed her so she could be put in a new body.

I think its a balance between draining the person and killing them. If they drain you too quickly you probably die, much like having your life force drained. If they do it slowly you become physically weak but you do not die. My other point is that the strength reduction may be permanent if they draining is linked to the soul, which I think it might be. In that case, Moiraine will always come back weaker. I should have explained that in the original post but skipped several steps.
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What did happen to Lanfear? Sidious - 23/02/2012 10:54:19 AM 3389 Views
I thought Moiraine saw Moridin or somebody in there looking for Lanfear? Cannoli - 23/02/2012 01:00:25 PM 1501 Views
Re: I thought Moiraine saw Moridin or somebody in there looking for Lanfear? Sidious - 23/02/2012 02:14:05 PM 1289 Views
do souls remain the same strength with each reincarnation though? LadyLorraine - 23/02/2012 05:45:40 PM 1070 Views
We can only theorize Sidious - 24/02/2012 08:14:49 AM 1167 Views
The Forsaken aren't a great parameter to judge from LadyLorraine - 24/02/2012 04:10:35 PM 1020 Views
Without the Forsaken its a pointless subject Sidious - 24/02/2012 04:23:57 PM 1141 Views
not all things need to be explained. LadyLorraine - 27/02/2012 04:07:21 AM 899 Views
Sanderson doesn't think this is the case darius_sedai - 26/02/2012 12:47:26 AM 1090 Views
I don't think Lanfear died in Finnland DomA - 27/02/2012 02:02:31 AM 1973 Views
I assume this was meant to be a response to Sidious' original post *NM* darius_sedai - 27/02/2012 02:18:09 AM 473 Views
All this could be true and could still have died at Finnland... fionwe1987 - 27/02/2012 04:40:50 AM 924 Views
Re: All this could be true and could still have died at Finnland... DomA - 28/02/2012 04:46:41 AM 999 Views
Why so? fionwe1987 - 28/02/2012 06:33:25 AM 955 Views
I pretty much agree Sidious - 28/02/2012 07:15:26 AM 1189 Views
WHen and where Lanfears original body died doesn't mean much to me darius_sedai - 28/02/2012 02:01:00 PM 921 Views
Re: WHen and where Lanfears original body died doesn't mean much to me Gartax - 28/02/2012 05:40:21 PM 874 Views
Perhaps ... But doesn't explain what they get out of killing her ... They have proven to be crafty darius_sedai - 28/02/2012 07:17:21 PM 921 Views
Well... Sidious - 28/02/2012 08:13:03 PM 1000 Views
then why even negotiate with Moridin? LoialT - 28/02/2012 09:24:38 PM 1015 Views
Wouldn't they have just kept her then or killed her right off the bat then? darius_sedai - 28/02/2012 09:52:49 PM 919 Views
Re: Wouldn't they have just kept her then or killed her right off the bat then? Sidious - 29/02/2012 11:28:10 AM 1048 Views
Re: Wouldn't they have just kept her then or killed her right off the bat then? darius_sedai - 01/03/2012 04:51:10 AM 877 Views
Re: Why so? DomA - 28/02/2012 07:01:38 PM 1114 Views
Not even Moraine thinks the Finns killed Lanfear LoialT - 28/02/2012 09:17:30 PM 1674 Views
Limits of resurrection... fionwe1987 - 29/02/2012 12:32:43 AM 1209 Views
Pretty sure it was Slayer Nargs - 23/02/2012 04:10:29 PM 1187 Views
He's still a minion, and would have been acting on the Shadow's behalf Cannoli - 23/02/2012 04:56:21 PM 1005 Views
I corrected you. Not Moridin. It was Slayer. Nargs - 24/02/2012 08:07:17 AM 1123 Views
And you know this, how? fionwe1987 - 24/02/2012 08:43:38 AM 1050 Views
Really? Its absolutely obvious that it was slayer. Nargs - 10/05/2012 04:16:43 PM 1372 Views
I think it is clear enough... entyti - 23/02/2012 08:42:24 PM 1141 Views
Or maybe he was not there to negotiate for her release, just get close to kill her for the soul-swap *NM* Cannoli - 23/02/2012 10:15:01 PM 533 Views
Or maybe that was the best deal he could make with them. *NM* fionwe1987 - 24/02/2012 12:17:06 AM 473 Views
always figured it was slayer who told the finns she wasn't the one he was lookin for *NM* nigelgoboom - 25/02/2012 10:15:55 PM 515 Views
Maybe they can only drain a fixed amount - and did so to both women equally... Shannow - 24/02/2012 08:32:56 PM 1141 Views
Ahh, Shannow... fionwe1987 - 25/02/2012 03:51:10 AM 1066 Views
I laughed too *NM* Sidious - 25/02/2012 06:54:15 AM 466 Views
Hilarious even for you darius_sedai - 26/02/2012 12:28:28 AM 990 Views
Exactly! *NM* fionwe1987 - 27/02/2012 12:19:57 AM 546 Views
Seems convoluted to me darius_sedai - 26/02/2012 12:44:18 AM 950 Views
his sanity? *NM* Yunalesca - 28/02/2012 06:07:25 PM 652 Views
HA! Sanity is overrated *NM* darius_sedai - 28/02/2012 07:21:01 PM 465 Views
I wonder if he traded a taste of the True Power? LadyLorraine - 29/02/2012 12:26:56 AM 904 Views
Now that is an interesting theory! darius_sedai - 29/02/2012 05:42:22 AM 878 Views
Maybe they can use the TP LadyLorraine - 29/02/2012 02:43:07 PM 1061 Views
Considering how they feel about anything dealing with the shadow, Evil_Monkey - 29/02/2012 03:03:55 PM 855 Views
Why not? I believe RJ basically said they are so different from humans that we could not define darius_sedai - 01/03/2012 04:54:40 AM 951 Views
Yet Light vs. Shadow is? fionwe1987 - 01/03/2012 05:17:14 AM 954 Views
That could boil down to prophesy v. Prophesy darius_sedai - 01/03/2012 05:33:52 AM 990 Views
Re: Considering how they feel about anything dealing with the shadow, DomA - 08/03/2012 09:28:52 PM 894 Views
LOVE IT ... Great thoughts! *NM* darius_sedai - 01/03/2012 04:52:38 AM 407 Views
The foxhead... fionwe1987 - 01/03/2012 05:19:13 AM 962 Views
Yes, but that doesn't mean an Aes Sedai made it. LadyLorraine - 01/03/2012 04:20:10 PM 968 Views
There are others that are just as effective though .. Nynaeve has one and so does Cadsuane darius_sedai - 01/03/2012 04:53:46 PM 1057 Views
My point was... fionwe1987 - 01/03/2012 05:34:34 PM 793 Views
What makes you think so? darius_sedai - 01/03/2012 06:45:42 PM 939 Views
Re: What makes you think so? fionwe1987 - 01/03/2012 11:22:06 PM 849 Views
Re: What makes you think so? darius_sedai - 02/03/2012 12:57:13 AM 873 Views
It depends.... DomA - 08/03/2012 09:54:45 PM 956 Views
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