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Re: "Seemingly young girl"? Is she actually old or something? Maybe she's not a girl? Sidious Send a noteboard - 19/03/2012 10:35:57 AM

1. Rand's transformation
This proved that Rand would not turn to evil, arguably the DO and Ishamael's biggest goal since the beginning of the series.

2. Cleansing of saidin
The DO's indisputably worst atrocity that led to the destruction of the 2nd Age, reversed in a few hours.

3. Demise of Semirhage and Mesaana
These two events convinced normal people that they too could battle the Shadow. It was well known that Rand had potentially killed the generals of the Shadow, and there were rumours about Moiraine, but the capture and humiliation of Semirhage, and the defeat of Mesaana by a seemingly young girl allowed people to believe that the highest levels of the Shadow are no more than people and can be defeated by people with a goal.


Did it convince YOU? Because that would seem to be completely at odds with your positions on a fuckton of discussions on this topic. Also kind of ironic given our usual places on the Egwene debates, you would finally come around to the notion that the Forsaken are not particularly special through the argument "If Egwene can beat them, ANYONE can."

This is what I love about these ending books - vindication after vindication! Being Cannoli kicks ASS! You guys should have all tried it a long time ago.


Seemingly because she looks like a normal girl but is much more. Egwene does kick ass... she did defeat one of the Forsaken, and that puts her on the same level as Rand and Nynaeve 8).

But everyone knows about Rand, and he's worshipped as some sort of special being whereas no one really knows about Nynaeve's feat against Moghedien. Egwene is more normal than Rand and the fact that the Amyrlin can defeat a Forsaken is a morale booster. No one will really notice that Egwene is in fact as strong as Mesaana in TAR.

Anyway blah blah blah... this bravado is really tiresome. I wish you were an average channeler and came face to face with Lanfear or Demandred. It would be nice to see all these boasts put to the test....
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Those were the exact three I had first on my list. Good call. *NM* Cannoli - 13/03/2012 04:55:29 AM 521 Views
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This is a wonderful summary of what I feel the situation at Merrilor wil be and I wish I wrote this IndigoAjah - 29/04/2012 07:41:53 PM 964 Views
Shouldn't my post have ended in NM? *NM* IndigoAjah - 29/04/2012 07:49:07 PM 352 Views
Re: Biggest blows to the Shadow... Sidious - 13/03/2012 08:03:59 PM 957 Views
I disagree on number three don't think it's broad enough darius_sedai - 17/03/2012 02:53:08 PM 791 Views
I wonder if it was advertised though? Sidious - 17/03/2012 04:25:23 PM 885 Views
I very much doubt it darius_sedai - 17/03/2012 04:48:56 PM 786 Views
Re: I very much doubt it Sidious - 17/03/2012 07:33:48 PM 738 Views
It's funny because I don't think the Forsaken have proven particularly effective either darius_sedai - 17/03/2012 07:47:58 PM 817 Views
I think they've been pretty effective Sidious - 19/03/2012 10:46:11 AM 793 Views
Yet they have done very little to move the grand plan forward darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:51:59 PM 785 Views
What plan? Sidious - 20/03/2012 08:18:40 AM 980 Views
I disagree ... The DO seems to have a plan and Moridin showed us he is following a prophesy darius_sedai - 20/03/2012 01:05:40 PM 873 Views
Up until the very end of TGS, wasn't the plan to turn Rand/make him do the DO's job for him? IndigoAjah - 29/04/2012 07:46:04 PM 875 Views
That's what I was saying ... Or at least part of it darius_sedai - 30/04/2012 12:45:24 AM 925 Views
Re: I very much doubt it DomA - 17/03/2012 09:59:15 PM 867 Views
Regarding Demandred Sidious - 19/03/2012 11:11:22 AM 848 Views
Re: Regarding Demandred DomA - 19/03/2012 06:26:49 PM 964 Views
Re: Regarding Demandred Sidious - 21/03/2012 09:48:40 PM 762 Views
Re: I disagree on number three don't think it's broad enough DomA - 17/03/2012 05:46:31 PM 939 Views
I always thought of the victory at the Eye as the Lights first big win in the series darius_sedai - 17/03/2012 07:27:12 PM 867 Views
Re: I always thought of the victory at the Eye as the Lights first big win in the series DomA - 17/03/2012 09:16:08 PM 914 Views
I largely agree with you darius_sedai - 18/03/2012 03:25:17 AM 865 Views
Re: I always thought of the victory at the Eye as the Lights first big win in the series guttering flame - 30/04/2012 07:04:06 PM 862 Views
"Seemingly young girl"? Is she actually old or something? Maybe she's not a girl? Cannoli - 19/03/2012 01:39:12 AM 886 Views
Re: "Seemingly young girl"? Is she actually old or something? Maybe she's not a girl? Praziquantel - 19/03/2012 03:34:11 AM 863 Views
Re: "Seemingly young girl"? Is she actually old or something? Maybe she's not a girl? Sidious - 19/03/2012 10:35:57 AM 926 Views
Oh, I'd probably die. That's not the important thing. Cannoli - 20/03/2012 03:08:37 AM 832 Views
Not that this debate really matters... fionwe1987 - 20/03/2012 03:40:37 AM 781 Views
Re: Oh, I'd probably die. That's not the important thing. Sidious - 20/03/2012 08:14:51 AM 796 Views
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