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Yup... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 15/05/2012 11:53:12 PM
I don't think the dumbing down was intentional, either. And I think your explanation is as good as any for why she ended up being portrayed this way.

What always made Graendal PoVs interesting, as written by Jordan, was how cerebral they were. She was a very self-aware character, not something you often see in an "evil character" in fiction from that time. I always feel one of the major losses in characterization in the Jordan-Sanderson transition was how intelligent people are portrayed. Cadsuane was a loss, we don't have any Verin or Moridin PoVs yet, Siuan seemed less intelligent, and so do Egwene and Rand, though to lesser extents, probably because they got more "moments of awesome" to take away from their slightly reduced intelligence. Elayne is not given as much of a chance to think about things and speculate...

As you pointed out with Graendal's thought process on encountering Ramshalan, you can see how Bandon struggles a bit in how to naturally write an intelligent person reaching a clever conclusion.

Contrast that to how Jordan wrote Romanda realizing Halima was a Foresaken male channeler. There's gentle buildup where we're exposed to the way she works things out, and when she does reach her conclusion, it isn't a sudden intuitive leap. Instead, several things peppered throughout the chapter fall together.

My early insistence that Graendal was alive came from how RJ wrote her. No way would she be totally blindsided by Rand's "brilliant" plan. I suspect, though, that this was one place where Jordan wrote the expected end point, but not the mechanism to reach it, and hence Brandon filled in the blanks.

What I think Jordan would have done is have Graendal make Delana alone weave compulsion. When Graendal figured out what Rand was up to, she and Aran'gar would have escaped. Then, Graendal would have been broken/mind trapped for her failure, and Aran'gar would have been given the task of killing Perrin.

For Graendal herself, I think the role RJ envisioned was different (and I think we'll see this in aMoL): She will be Moridin's pet consultant. There's nobody else who can begin to understand the man that Rand has become. Graendal is the only one, per Semirhage, who has occasionally achieved reintegration in people who hear voices from their past lives. I think we'll find out that she is the one who pointed out to Moridin that if Rand has all of LTT's memories, then LTT's past feelings for Meirin Eronaile, added up to the sane Rand's penchant for saving women in trouble works up to a way in for the Shadow to get a hook on the Light's Champion again. I think Rand's reintegration and epiphany in tGS must have severely increased the need for a psychologist in a Shadow, and I think RJ intended Graendal to lose her freedom purely because it didn't make much sense that she would give useful aid to Moridin unless she was under his total control.
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Delana and compulsion - 13/05/2012 10:22:50 PM 1117 Views
It was so saidar would be detected in the compulsion... - 13/05/2012 11:21:10 PM 805 Views
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I think you need to re-read the passage - 14/05/2012 08:07:57 AM 548 Views
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I guess I needed to re-read the passage - 14/05/2012 03:05:03 PM 630 Views
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You clearly read the scene, so how did you miss this? - 15/05/2012 03:33:55 AM 697 Views
Re: You clearly read the scene, so how did you miss this? - 15/05/2012 08:48:32 AM 583 Views
Re: You clearly read the scene, so how did you miss this? - 15/05/2012 02:41:15 PM 453 Views
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Oh, by the way... - 15/05/2012 08:55:24 AM 409 Views
That doesn't make sense... - 15/05/2012 09:47:54 PM 466 Views
Everything I've read keeps me convinced that Graendal was supposed to die. - 15/05/2012 06:46:57 AM 502 Views
I don't think she was supposed to die, but... - 15/05/2012 07:14:46 AM 614 Views
Re: Everything I've read keeps me convinced that Graendal was supposed to die. - 15/05/2012 09:58:08 AM 493 Views
In all honesty I think RJ did that on purpose - 15/05/2012 01:28:13 PM 620 Views
You misunderstand. - 15/05/2012 07:46:20 PM 610 Views
Agreed... - 15/05/2012 08:41:15 PM 429 Views
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Yup... - 15/05/2012 11:53:12 PM 579 Views
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We'll have to agree to disagree on Graendal, I guess... - 16/05/2012 01:40:59 AM 754 Views
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Re: Everything I've read keeps me convinced that Graendal was supposed to die. - 15/05/2012 01:35:18 PM 595 Views
I don't think this is the end of Graendal's story... - 15/05/2012 02:27:10 PM 523 Views
Somethign I forgot... - 15/05/2012 04:54:40 PM 709 Views

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