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Re: Indeed... muppet Send a noteboard - 31/01/2013 03:05:44 PM
When you consider that important plot lines like moiraines return, and rand getting the seancan on his side were treated in a half dozen paragraphs, it seems an extravagant one.

The "clever" uses of gateways were tiring in my opinion.

Sandersons constant resort to a light character figuring a novel way to use a function of the power that already had well defined limits was reminiscent of the Harry Potter series.


It was like a poke in the eye each time it happened again and again.

The relationship stuff between Androl and Pevara I have no problem with. But the fact that Androl has effectively booted longstanding characters like Flinn, Narishma, Grady, Neald and even Logain to the sidelines was problematic.

Vanity by the new author is a good way to describe it.


In fairness to Brandon, while I agree with your analysis of the handling of Androl (who is an awful lot like Kelsier if you think about it) and his pet Red, I also think that his side characters are generally WAY more interesting than RJ's rather bland and sometimes cookie-cutter Darkfriends, who seem to be the only characters that get true side plots when RJ is driving ("true" in that they're fairly disconnected from the heroes throughout). Androl is interesting in a way that Narishma really wasn't. You had to infer an awful lot with Narishma to make him cool. If you were dripping with fan theories and fiction, you probably liked him a lot more than someone like me who ingests only what's in the books.

I'd have liked for RJ to have done more of this Sanderson-style sidetracking, because his own sidetracking always seemed annoying and distracting to me. It never seemed to go anywhere, was not really interesting because of how repetitive it was, and more and more I just started internally moaning at the text and looking expectantly along the page for a main character to crop back up.

But I do agree that Androl and Perava got WAY too much screen-time and had an annoying and unnecessary toolbox full of gimmicks.
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So, am I the only one who kind of liked the whole Androl/Pevara plot? beetnemesis - 31/01/2013 02:30:15 PM 2165 Views
It was extremely irritating... Shannow - 31/01/2013 02:34:32 PM 1210 Views
Re: It was extremely irritating... muppet - 31/01/2013 02:47:46 PM 1345 Views
It felt like a plot tacked on as a vanity by Sanderson Joar Nessosin - 31/01/2013 02:49:09 PM 975 Views
Indeed... Shannow - 31/01/2013 02:58:50 PM 1006 Views
Re: Indeed... muppet - 31/01/2013 03:05:44 PM 1121 Views
I kind of always thought RJ intended the minor characters to be bland darius_sedai - 03/02/2013 12:00:33 AM 830 Views
I'd say more like Mistborn than Harry Potter *NM* beetnemesis - 01/02/2013 02:53:30 PM 449 Views
I feel the same about Mat's luck powers. You talk about plot armor, his is a plot bulldozer. Bookwyrm - 01/02/2013 12:53:58 AM 877 Views
You're not the only one who liked it. I thought the mind meld was cool. *NM* Evil_Monkey - 31/01/2013 02:39:48 PM 823 Views
No I loved it too. *NM* Dreadlord - 31/01/2013 02:43:31 PM 428 Views
I liked it. Most of the whining about is hilarious. Zeratul - 31/01/2013 03:01:10 PM 967 Views
I hated it because it reeked of sanderson pandering to "internet humour" for lack of a better term. ImmanuelXavier - 31/01/2013 04:47:54 PM 931 Views
Yep. I know what you mean, though it's hard to exactly quantify. muppet - 31/01/2013 04:49:12 PM 877 Views
I could really use an example here beetnemesis - 01/02/2013 02:56:50 PM 859 Views
I enjoyed it Ryan - 31/01/2013 04:37:42 PM 750 Views
It wasn't bad. However, it took away time from characters that readers were more invested in. *NM* Tom - 31/01/2013 04:52:25 PM 440 Views
Yeah, that's a legitimate complaint. *NM* beetnemesis - 01/02/2013 02:57:12 PM 436 Views
It was a fairly bad execution of some good ideas DomA - 31/01/2013 05:01:59 PM 1383 Views
That one line characterizes the last two books of WoT generally. *NM* Tom - 31/01/2013 08:52:06 PM 461 Views
He probably didn't have enough time to learn the characters completely Voscaia Sedai - 01/02/2013 01:45:11 PM 924 Views
Re: He probably didn't have enough time to learn the characters completely DomA - 02/02/2013 04:48:45 PM 1075 Views
Well said... I would have waited for a better end product *NM* darius_sedai - 02/02/2013 05:50:16 PM 433 Views
I 100% agree with everything you said here! *NM* darius_sedai - 01/02/2013 02:16:56 PM 417 Views
Pretty much. But I think significant blame should be laid at Jordan's feet for his abysmal pacing. Ghavrel - 02/02/2013 10:48:06 AM 936 Views
Yeah, yeah.. it's the f*cking silk washing's scene's fault DomA - 02/02/2013 05:59:30 PM 1209 Views
Damn you are on a roll ... Nicely said. *NM* darius_sedai - 03/02/2013 12:46:57 AM 524 Views
Its true, but RJ should get some blame Sidious - 05/02/2013 03:56:20 PM 947 Views
Certainly RJ deserves some of the blame. But pacing issues were not the only issue with AMOL darius_sedai - 10/02/2013 02:45:02 PM 826 Views
i enjoyed this subplot tacotime20 - 05/02/2013 05:41:23 PM 1188 Views
Not the only one..I really enjoyed reading their story. *NM* Simon - 01/02/2013 02:05:21 PM 504 Views
It was my favourite subplot *NM* Sidious - 01/02/2013 02:17:26 PM 693 Views
I liked it more than reading about Perrin. And seeing Mat butchered even further. *NM* Deadsy - 03/02/2013 02:28:42 AM 539 Views
I really liked this plot-line! *NM* aragornital - 03/02/2013 07:23:48 AM 407 Views
I liked it, but that's because... orius - 10/02/2013 09:14:44 AM 1003 Views
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