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Re: No. Hopper Aes Sedai Send a noteboard - 25/10/2009 08:40:55 PM
I don't think that is conclusive to say there is no new Forsaken character. From what I know of the series so far, it looks like the Dark One can raise or create new Forsaken to keep the numbers at 13. It seems he really likes that number! 13 Dreadlords and Myrrdraal are also mentioned as something he can use to convert people. So, I would think he wants to keeps the numbers of Forsaken at thirteen.


No he can't. 'Forsaken' is a term that refers exclusively to the channelers of the Age of Legends (as 'Dreadlord' refers to channelers of the Trolloc Wars), and the only ones living still are those who were sealed in Shayol Ghul in Lews Therin's strike.


So you're saying the Dark One can't replace the channelers he loses by promoting others? That sucks (for him). Maybe there is a lot of red tape involved with that, but I can't see it, since he should be the Ultimate Boss. If that's the case, I wonder how the original Forsaken got to their positions of power.

As of the end of The Dragon Reborn, I think there are three or four dead Forsaken? Two died at the end of The Eye of the World, one at the end of The Great Hunt (I think they died, but not sure), and one dies at the end of The Dragon Reborn. I would think that the Dark One has been working to make new Forsaken to replenish his losses.

Moiraine knows a lot that the other characters don't know, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if she has knowledge of a newly raised Forsaken!


Aginor and Balthamel died at the Eye of the World, and Be'lal and Ishamael died in the Stone of Tear. None died in The Great Hunt

Anyway, as I said there aren't new Forsaken, and Moiraine wouldn't know of them anyway. She's much more ignorant than you give her credit for. She certainly has no spies in Shai'tan's council.


Thanks for pointing that out about who died where, Fanatic-Templar! It was kind of confusing to see Ba'alzamon have a sword driven through his heart at end of The Great Hunt and then reappear as a ghastly ubiquitous force at the end of The Dragon Reborn.

As for the knowledge of Moiraine Aes Sedai, she seemed to know a lot. She figured out that the Forsaken ruling Tear was Be'lal, for example, from very little evidence we could see. She seems to know so much, more than I would expect of an average Aes Sedai of the Blue Ajah. So, that she could mention a new Forsaken (or Forsaken-level) character cannot be dismissed so easily, because she could just be breadcrumbing knowledge of another character.
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Mysterious New Forsaken? Hopper Aes Sedai - 25/10/2009 06:34:08 AM 2024 Views
*posting in an epic thread* Deadsy - 25/10/2009 06:37:00 AM 1132 Views
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It's obviously a joke, Deadster AgentOrange - 25/10/2009 08:49:25 AM 970 Views
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Re: *posting in an epic thread* Hopper Aes Sedai - 25/10/2009 06:36:28 PM 828 Views
Can't be a new Forsaken. Fanatic-Templar - 25/10/2009 07:59:39 AM 1011 Views
That makes sense ranagrande - 25/10/2009 10:15:54 AM 847 Views
Did any of them have secret love children? *NM* Deadsy - 25/10/2009 05:48:24 PM 334 Views
Wow, that would make this series very interesting, indeed! Hopper Aes Sedai - 25/10/2009 09:16:50 PM 750 Views
I don't know who it could be, but it sounds like an Old Tongue name Hopper Aes Sedai - 25/10/2009 06:34:11 PM 806 Views
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Not quite right... fionwe1987 - 25/10/2009 10:15:27 PM 743 Views
*Sound of a sword being drawn from its sheathe.* Fanatic-Templar - 26/10/2009 05:00:34 AM 671 Views
Sheathe the sword, my child! fionwe1987 - 26/10/2009 05:09:51 AM 718 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 26/10/2009 05:24:12 AM 1048 Views
why not? *NM* Deadsy - 26/10/2009 05:41:28 AM 349 Views
Because winter is coming. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/10/2009 03:43:36 PM 350 Views
Sheathing the Sword sounds like a sexual act. *NM* Yvves - 26/10/2009 05:41:28 AM 352 Views
Like Rand did with Ishamael? NOW I see... *NM* fionwe1987 - 26/10/2009 03:33:35 PM 330 Views
Don't forget that he was first taught how to do it by Lan BlackAdder - 26/10/2009 06:49:15 PM 756 Views
Rock on! Paah killed Asmodean *NM* AgentOrange - 25/10/2009 08:46:10 AM 439 Views
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That is a good idea *NM* AgentOrange - 25/10/2009 10:07:38 PM 335 Views
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Thread makes me giggle. *NM* ViolentKai - 25/10/2009 07:02:55 PM 363 Views
I am Paah. Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2009 07:22:25 PM 814 Views
So it's just a Cairhienin name for the Dark One? Hopper Aes Sedai - 25/10/2009 07:50:13 PM 806 Views
Wait wait wait.... Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2009 08:04:51 PM 721 Views
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I might have dark hair... Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2009 09:03:20 PM 748 Views
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seconded and submitted to QotM *NM* Deadsy - 25/10/2009 11:06:59 PM 340 Views
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Also submitted to QotM - I should have asked BS about Paah at the book signing *NM* Deadsy - 12/06/2010 10:30:23 AM 343 Views
You should've; Paah lives in his house, after all. Joel - 12/06/2010 11:18:23 AM 831 Views
Paah is a small rotund bear who lives in Mr. Sanders(on)s house. Joel - 12/06/2010 10:24:39 AM 1028 Views
Well, it's italicized, so that means he's really scary. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 12/06/2010 03:04:12 PM 336 Views
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