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Re: True Power, Ilyena, and significance of the Choedan Kal thebestrob Send a noteboard - 30/10/2009 03:36:00 PM

A The Light clearly has the overwhelming advantage in channelers and so angreal and sa'angreal may in some ways be more dangerous than helpful if the Shadow should obtain any, ESPECIALLY one such as the Choedan Kal, which we know they have lusted after. But I do wonder, is it more than that? The final moment describes the actual sa'angreal as even more powerful than anything being channeled through the access key, so perhaps it was actually too powerful for the pattern to deal with. Much to think about and thanks for your post!!

LoialT

Does the light really have the overwhelming advantage in channelers? There were some 250 black ajah mentioned in Verin's notebook out of how many? Plus the black tower is a festering hole of shadow lords if Taim's influence is as strong as it seems at the end of KOD. I guess there's the windfinders, Aiel and Seanchan, but i figure that many of those would also be black - plus with the opportunities for AOL forsaken to teach them new weaves, i wonder whether it just seems that the light has the advantage in channelers because we see the story primarily from their point of view.

If i recall correctly, by the end of the AOL/war of shadows, the Aes Sedai were split about 50:50, and the war was very close - I'd assume a similar pattern this time around.

just food for thought...

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True Power, Ilyena, and significance of the Choedan Kal thebestrob - 30/10/2009 02:57:09 PM 3099 Views

Re: True Power, Ilyena, and significance of the Choedan Kal Myrdhyn - 30/10/2009 03:05:52 PM 1266 Views

I agree with you Sidious - 30/10/2009 03:24:22 PM 1393 Views

don't forget you can't touch the true power without the DO's permission mazza3 - 30/10/2009 03:31:25 PM 1164 Views

I think he will overlook it Sidious - 30/10/2009 03:46:25 PM 1159 Views

It also might be that Rand used Moridin as a conduit, making the DO's permission irrelevant. RandAllThor - 30/10/2009 03:58:04 PM 1115 Views

Indeed... Moridin is definitely worried about the connection Sidious - 30/10/2009 03:59:59 PM 1236 Views

Right RandAllThor - 30/10/2009 04:06:26 PM 1352 Views

i agree it was def in the DO's best interests to give it to rand THEN, just not when.... mazza3 - 30/10/2009 05:57:03 PM 1276 Views

Seems to me destroying the DO with balefire would take a force equal to his. The Name With No Man - 06/11/2009 09:57:47 AM 1011 Views

I think the TP IS the DO - sealing the Bore with it is illogical and impossible. Lord Haart - 27/11/2009 12:13:29 AM 939 Views

Re: True Power, Ilyena, and significance of the Choedan Kal LoialT - 30/10/2009 03:28:06 PM 2384 Views

Re: True Power, Ilyena, and significance of the Choedan Kal thebestrob - 30/10/2009 03:36:00 PM 1321 Views

Re: True Power, Ilyena, and significance of the Choedan Kal LoialT - 30/10/2009 09:48:46 PM 1161 Views

where'd you get the number of Rand's Asha'man? Deadsy - 30/10/2009 10:12:00 PM 978 Views

Re: where'd you get the number of Rand's Asha'man? LoialT - 31/10/2009 12:28:48 AM 977 Views

I must be confused then cougar10 - 30/10/2009 06:11:38 PM 1074 Views

No... you're right. beetnemesis - 30/10/2009 07:02:05 PM 1068 Views

Hello! The TP can only be used with permission! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2009 10:45:58 PM 1140 Views

Nope Sidious - 31/10/2009 05:18:03 AM 1522 Views

I'm sorry that's wrong... fionwe1987 - 31/10/2009 08:58:14 AM 1059 Views

Believe what you want Sidious - 31/10/2009 09:08:52 AM 1092 Views

No, he's right beetnemesis - 31/10/2009 04:59:34 PM 1219 Views

That's what I said *NM* Sidious - 31/10/2009 05:24:55 PM 495 Views

I don't need your permission for that... fionwe1987 - 31/10/2009 09:57:34 PM 998 Views

Re: I don't need your permission for that... Sidious - 01/11/2009 06:54:20 AM 980 Views

You are incorrect darius_sedai - 27/12/2009 10:44:36 PM 993 Views

you're counting on the DO of being absent minded? Japhy - 17/04/2010 10:59:41 PM 955 Views

The Foresaken had their permission revoked, but the DO can enact consequences on them... FanEditor10 - 29/04/2010 04:35:27 AM 1108 Views

I think using the TP against the DO is wishful thinking. redhand - 31/10/2009 04:33:33 PM 1052 Views

Generally agree. Joel - 06/11/2009 09:07:57 AM 1105 Views

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<quote> A The Light clearly has the overwhelming advantage in channelers and so angreal and sa'angreal may in some ways be more dangerous than helpful if the Shadow should obtain any, ESPECIALLY one such as the Choedan Kal, which we know they have lusted after. But I do wonder, is it more than that? The final moment describes the actual sa'angreal as even more powerful than anything being channeled through the access key, so perhaps it was actually too powerful for the pattern to deal with. Much to think about and thanks for your post!!

LoialT :]</quote>

Does the light really have the overwhelming advantage in channelers?  There were some 250 black ajah mentioned in Verin's notebook out of how many?  Plus the black tower is a festering hole of shadow lords if Taim's influence is as strong as it seems at the end of KOD.  I guess there's the windfinders, Aiel and Seanchan, but i figure that many of those would also be black - plus with the opportunities for AOL forsaken to teach them new weaves, i wonder whether it just seems that the light has the advantage in channelers because we see the story primarily from their point of view.

If i recall correctly, by the end of the AOL/war of shadows, the Aes Sedai were split about 50:50, and the war was very close - I'd assume a similar pattern this time around.

just food for thought... 
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