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Forsaken update... who's dead and who's not Sidious Send a noteboard - 01/11/2009 06:49:13 PM
Here are the Forsaken as they stand...

1. Aginor died in EoTW and was reincarnated later as Osan'gar. He most likely died during the Cleansing of saidin, though this is not definitive, but more than likely. Considering he was burned to death, he could be reincarnated again if the Dark One is willing to give him a third chance for the Last Battle, which is might or might not do.

2. Lanfear is running around as Cyndane.

3. Moghedien has survived and is running around recruiting for the Shadow and serving Moridin.

4. Demandred has survived and is somewhere rallying a force of some kind. We know less about him than any other Forsaken.

5. Ishamael was killed in TDR by Rand and has been reincarnated as Moridin, who is now the Nae'blis. He is alive and well and the leader of the Shadow.

6. Be'lal is dead permanently. Moridin said that balefire is the final death for the Forsaken and he was killed with balefire by Moiraine.

7. Rahvin is also dead permanently. He was balefired by Rand.

8. Balthamel was killed in EoTW by Someshta, and was reincarnated as Aran'gar. She escaped Salidar with Delana and is presumed well, although she made no appearance in the new book.

9. Graendal is probably dead, but this is an area of debate. We only saw her in the Prologue. Rand believed she was in a fortress and he balefired the place using the Choedan Kal. The rapid reversal of Compulsion on her victim suggests that she was indeed killed, but it will be difficult to say. She's a notorious trickster and may have survived.

10. Asmodean is dead, killed by an unknown assassin. Considering his betrayal it is unlikely he will be resurrected for the Shadow. His almost instant death also suggests balefire, but this is by no means proven.

11. Mesaana is alive and well and in the White Tower disguised as someone.

12. Semirhage is dead. After escaping her captivity, she collared Rand with a domination band, but he escaped using the True Power and used it to balefire her. Her death is permanent.

13. Sammael is dead. Mashadar consumed him. It reportedly consumes the soul so the finality of his death is debatable. Mashadar may devour your thread forever, or merely kill you. It may be even more absolute than balefire, or less so - we don't know. If the Dark One can resurrect him, he might.

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Forsaken update... who's dead and who's not - 01/11/2009 06:49:13 PM 1337 Views
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Re: Graendal - 01/11/2009 10:32:06 PM 692 Views
Wow, you make serious posts on this board. - 02/11/2009 02:04:48 AM 586 Views
Eh, hindsight is 20/20 - 02/11/2009 02:37:46 AM 631 Views
Methinks another channeler (Darkfriend/Black Ajah) placed the Compulsion on Rand's bait. - 02/11/2009 01:44:07 AM 556 Views
Two reasons: The level of Compulsion, and Forsaken paranoia. - 02/11/2009 02:47:57 AM 711 Views
Re: Two reasons: The level of Compulsion, and Forsaken paranoia. - 02/11/2009 02:55:54 AM 540 Views
I think it was Graendal who wove that - 02/11/2009 04:04:02 AM 626 Views
Nope. Balefire doesn't really worry about paradox. - 02/11/2009 02:53:23 AM 581 Views
Re: No. 8 - 01/11/2009 08:56:24 PM 715 Views
Re: No. 8 - 01/11/2009 08:59:12 PM 616 Views
Fingers - 01/11/2009 09:12:51 PM 614 Views
I'm guessing she didn't get them within the first three days *NM* - 01/11/2009 09:18:41 PM 248 Views
One - 01/11/2009 09:41:53 PM 652 Views
I'm 99% sure that was Mesaana. (Sheriam stated specifically that it wasn't Halima) *NM* - 01/11/2009 09:19:09 PM 357 Views
Re: I'm 99% sure that was Mesaana. (Sheriam stated specifically that it wasn't Halima) - 01/11/2009 10:44:07 PM 697 Views
Mesaana has exceptional strength in the Power. *NM* - 02/11/2009 12:01:12 AM 290 Views
As Nynaeve al'Meara and Sharina Melloy. - 02/11/2009 01:47:17 PM 902 Views
Oh yeah...good old gravelly-voiced Cyndane - 02/11/2009 02:06:54 AM 570 Views
Cyndane is the only other option beside Mesaana - 02/11/2009 04:10:27 AM 638 Views
It was clearly Mesaana. - 03/11/2009 07:40:15 AM 597 Views

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