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I think most of those are perfectly acceptable. Gher Send a noteboard - 09/11/2009 10:46:36 PM

Whether it was because of Sanderson, or because of RJ, I don't know, but it definitely felt like, "Hey! You guys remember this, from that book? And this, from that book?"

I don't think Sanderson would change up the story that much just to do that. Jordan might have, but he had the control. Sanderson shouldn't be bringing up old fan favorites because he can.

There was Hurin, who hadn't even been mentioned since the very beginning of tDR.

But RJ said we would see more of him, and it did make sense to send someone who journeyed with the Dragon Reborn to negotiate with him.

Bela, of course.

Something RJ did a lot. It's cool she's still around, and it doesn't require very much suspension of disbelief.

A conversation between Tam and Rand.(!)

Something that had to happen. I don't think this was Sanderson, and I don't think RJ did this just to throw the fans a bone. This was something that needed to be done.

The sa'angreal used to heal Mat.

Not sure how this is a fan service, it's logical that Egwene would grab the most powerful sa'angreal she was familiar with and had access to.

Rand talking about the blademaster he killed in tGH

Something that made sense. That was a huge event in his life, a real turning point.

Nynaeve viciously defending Mat, and how he rescued her.

Actually makes sense and does fit with her character. She wants to protect the Two Rivers folk from outsiders. So even if she may personally agree with Tuon (which I don't think she does, I think she was genuinely grateful to Mat, but didn't want to let him know that), she's definitely not going to let a foreigner get away with bad mouthing one of her own. It's almost like a big brother that always picks on his younger siblings, but will fight anyone else who does.

Finally, an explanation of Verin's behavior (sidenote- perhaps Verin was directed to send that draghkar after Moiraine?)

Obviously this was necessary. But I don't think you'd argue that point.

Mat and Thom reminiscing about being on Domon's ship, and playing for their food.

Doubt this was a Sanderson scene, and if it was, I doubt it was simply to give a shout-out to the fans.

Mat thinking about the dagger, which I don't think he's mentioned for half a dozen books.

But it did play a large role in his life. It's hard to tell whether or not RJ would have done this if RJ had written this book.

Even Gareth and Siuan bickering and reconciling over her oath counts- remember, that oath was made back in tFoH!

But it was a major obstacle affecting their relationship with one another. I doubt Gareth would ever let himself become romantically involved with someone he sees as an oath-breaker. Clearing this up furthers their storyline, while it makes perfect sense that two stubborn people took this long to talk it out.

I'm sure there's even more- these were just off the top of my head. It definitely felt, at times, that Sanderson was a fellow fan that was going, "Remember this? Remember this? Remember this?" Not in a bad way, though!

I disagree. I mean after 12 large books, not to mention all the theories and discussions that have taken place, things are going to be revisited. A good story is going to reuse objects, and places, have the characters reflect on past experiences, and have foreshadowing that allows readers to speculate on what will happen next. I don't think anything was thrown in just for the fans.

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thoughts and things I found funny dacole - 09/11/2009 01:29:03 AM 980 Views

1. Doubtful Deadsy - 09/11/2009 02:22:30 AM 589 Views

Re: thoughts and things I found funny Fantasy - 09/11/2009 03:36:35 AM 728 Views

Graendal commented on the seven surviving chosen... angeandbella - 09/11/2009 06:18:42 AM 544 Views

Yes, but the fact still remains that Asmo is dead. Fantasy - 10/11/2009 01:31:48 AM 494 Views

There were definitely a lot of fan-servicey callbacks beetnemesis - 09/11/2009 03:42:41 PM 507 Views

I agree there were fan-ish things Deadsy - 09/11/2009 04:11:37 PM 548 Views

Bela obviously has a role to play in T'armon Gaidon!

Tom - 09/11/2009 04:22:24 PM 458 Views

Re: Bela obviously has a role to play in T'armon Gaidon!

*NM* echooff - 09/11/2009 04:45:33 PM 227 Views

Actually it wouldn't surprise me if she was at the Last Battle

Ryan - 09/11/2009 06:43:35 PM 420 Views

of course she will be (not sure what the joke is here)

- also, she's Harriet's favorite character *NM* Deadsy - 09/11/2009 10:27:01 PM 219 Views

I think when RJ puts her in, it's fan-servicey as well beetnemesis - 10/11/2009 07:02:18 AM 396 Views

I think it is the whole point of secrets coming up Ryan - 09/11/2009 06:48:21 PM 428 Views

I think most of those are perfectly acceptable. Gher - 09/11/2009 10:46:36 PM 1074 Views

Hm. Let me explain. I meant it more like... when you watch the season finale of a show. beetnemesis - 10/11/2009 07:26:00 AM 470 Views

Alright, maybe I see what you mean... Gher - 12/11/2009 10:11:45 PM 537 Views

that was a very thematic intention kcf - 09/11/2009 10:49:45 PM 396 Views

Funniest episode in the book guttering flame - 12/11/2009 10:54:26 PM 471 Views

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<quote id="45297">Whether it was because of Sanderson, or because of RJ, I don't know, but it definitely felt like, "Hey! You guys remember this, from that book? And this, from that book?"</quote>
I don't think Sanderson would change up the story that much just to do that. Jordan might have, but he had the control. Sanderson shouldn't be bringing up old fan favorites because he can.

<quote id="45297">There was Hurin, who hadn't even been mentioned since the very beginning of tDR.</quote>
But RJ said we would see more of him, and it did make sense to send someone who journeyed with the Dragon Reborn to negotiate with him.

<quote id="45297">Bela, of course.</quote>
Something RJ did a lot. It's cool she's still around, and it doesn't require very much suspension of disbelief.

<quote id="45297">A conversation between Tam and Rand.(!)</quote>
Something that had to happen. I don't think this was Sanderson, and I don't think RJ did this just to throw the fans a bone. This was something that needed to be done.

<quote id="45297">The sa'angreal used to heal Mat.</quote>
Not sure how this is a fan service, it's logical that Egwene would grab the most powerful sa'angreal she was familiar with and had access to.

<quote id="45297">Rand talking about the blademaster he killed in tGH</quote>
Something that made sense. That was a huge event in his life, a real turning point.

<quote id="45297">Nynaeve viciously defending Mat, and how he rescued her.</quote>
Actually makes sense and does fit with her character. She wants to protect the Two Rivers folk from outsiders. So even if she may personally agree with Tuon (which I don't think she does, I think she was genuinely grateful to Mat, but didn't want to let him know that), she's definitely not going to let a foreigner get away with bad mouthing one of her own. It's almost like a big brother that always picks on his younger siblings, but will fight anyone else who does.

<quote id="45297">Finally, an explanation of Verin's behavior (sidenote- perhaps Verin was directed to send that draghkar after Moiraine?)</quote>
Obviously this was necessary. But I don't think you'd argue that point.

<quote id="45297">Mat and Thom reminiscing about being on Domon's ship, and playing for their food.</quote>
Doubt this was a Sanderson scene, and if it was, I doubt it was simply to give a shout-out to the fans.

<quote id="45297">Mat thinking about the dagger, which I don't think he's mentioned for half a dozen books.</quote>
But it did play a large role in his life. It's hard to tell whether or not RJ would have done this if RJ had written this book.

<quote id="45297">Even Gareth and Siuan bickering and reconciling over her oath counts- remember, that oath was made back in tFoH!</quote>
But it was a major obstacle affecting their relationship with one another. I doubt Gareth would ever let himself become romantically involved with someone he sees as an oath-breaker. Clearing this up furthers their storyline, while it makes perfect sense that two stubborn people took this long to talk it out.

<quote id="45297">I'm sure there's even more- these were just off the top of my head.  It definitely felt, at times, that Sanderson was a fellow fan that was going, "Remember this? Remember this? Remember this?"  Not in a bad way, though!</quote>
I disagree. I mean after 12 large books, not to mention all the theories and discussions that have taken place, things are going to be revisited. A good story is going to reuse objects, and places, have the characters reflect on past experiences, and have foreshadowing that allows readers to speculate on what will happen next. I don't think anything was thrown in just for the fans.
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