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Re: Who comes out looking worst in the Egwene-Suana encounter? Egwene, Suana or B-Sand? Cannoli Send a noteboard - 27/11/2009 09:17:58 PM

I've been saying for years that you don't need to be good at Healing to be in the Yellows. It's merely where your interest lies. I actually think there are Yellows who are only average at Healing and have to strain to Heal a broken arm. Consider that Anaiya is Blue but is a good healer... she doesn't want to be Yellow. There are probably weak healers in the Yellows who have adept political skill, but they're not interested in being Blue. The ajah isn't their permanent occupation or even their identity really - it's where they live and who their friends are, and what their attitude towards the Power is.

I hold the same position, but you would think it would take more than a modicum of that skill. How can someone TRULY hold Healing to be paramount in importance and be unable to do it? How is a person supposed to resolve that dichotomy of thinking something is great and wonderful and important, but they suck at it? I would think such a person could find better things to do with her life than hanging around like some sort of pathetic Yellow-groupie. It would be like letting a burned-out woman still call herself Aes Sedai and hang around the Tower. Her mind is the same, after all...
Furthermore, if that whole "fixing things" mentality was TRULY a part of the Yellow, why was Romanda so pressed for a rationale to take charge of the embassy to the Black Tower? Either that is NOT the Yellows' mentality, and just an interpretation of Sanderson, or else the Salidar crew has the worst Yellows.

You need to hate men to be a Red - that's hardly more trivial than if you like to fix things.

Yeah, that's according to everyone but the Reds.

The hating men is a RESULT of being in the Reds, just like arrogance is a result of being in the Yellows.

Because Nynaeve is rarely right about anything. Between Egwene and Nynaeve, Egwene got all the brains. Nynaeve is just emotion that you need to aim. Nynaeve stubbornly believes in her stupid herbs but not only are they greatly inferior even to the meanest Healing, but they probably don't work AT ALL.

Ah, so she's Healing herself when she takes them? And as for Nynaeve being emotional and intuitive, she is more often right with her feelings and hunches than Egwene is by any reasoning. Egwene lacks both Nynaeve's inuitive...wisdom for lack of a better term, and true intellectual ability. What she does have is good instincts and a nose for opportunity. Egwene makes the most of things and recognizes cirucmstances without thinking about them. She doesn't have the pure rational faculties to reason things out.

It was a passing comment with no weight from Egwene. Besides, you don't know how the Tower has changed. Perhaps forkroot has created some interest in herbs.

Hence, food.

The point is, why such associations. She sees food and thinks "medicine." Is she the idiot or Sanderson?

Or instead of Healing the injured all day she's a normal person with hobbies, like growing plants.

True dat. But Egwene equates it with Nynaeve's professional interests. So, wrong again.

Or more likely Egwene entered the room and saw lots of plants, so her mind jumped to healing Herbs because she was in the room of the LEADER OF THE AJAH.

So, because she's in the Healing Ajah, her "food" must therefore be "medicine"?

The scene can be summarized as...
- Egwene notices things and keeps them to herself.

Furtive and sneaky

- Suana has hobbies.

To which Egwene attributes odd significance.

Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
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Who comes out looking worst in the Egwene-Suana encounter? Egwene, Suana or B-Sand? Cannoli - 27/11/2009 04:16:18 PM 1609 Views

Re: Who comes out looking worst in the Egwene-Suana encounter? Egwene, Suana or B-Sand? darius_sedai - 27/11/2009 06:30:31 PM 661 Views

I interpreted it as Branderson trying to make the Yellow more believable. lord-of-shadow - 27/11/2009 07:09:43 PM 771 Views

Re: I interpreted it as Branderson trying to make the Yellow more believable. Cannoli - 27/11/2009 08:16:48 PM 694 Views

anti-Nynaeve? darius_sedai - 27/11/2009 08:26:54 PM 676 Views

But that is not the connotation of Egwene's comment. Cannoli - 27/11/2009 08:45:40 PM 752 Views

I disagree darius_sedai - 27/11/2009 09:01:04 PM 641 Views

Cannoli comes out looking like crap. RtDB! fionwe1987 - 27/11/2009 07:51:53 PM 689 Views

Re: Cannoli comes out looking like crap. RtDB! darius_sedai - 27/11/2009 08:19:46 PM 598 Views

He's doing a crappy job of that, too. Cannoli - 27/11/2009 08:37:06 PM 660 Views

Re: Cannoli comes out looking like crap. RtDB! fionwe1987 - 27/11/2009 11:06:06 PM 656 Views

Please recall that you have admitted an inferior understanding of American English connotations. Cannoli - 27/11/2009 08:23:41 PM 661 Views

Yes. I admit to not being fully familiar with a third rate rip off of a language I speak. So? fionwe1987 - 27/11/2009 11:18:39 PM 599 Views

How can Egwene know she's unskilled if she's never Healed? darius_sedai - 28/11/2009 12:19:58 AM 592 Views

Simple... fionwe1987 - 28/11/2009 01:16:44 AM 606 Views

I can see that for weaves they aren't stong enough darius_sedai - 28/11/2009 01:35:43 AM 560 Views

Nitpicking. Rand al'Thor - 27/11/2009 08:18:02 PM 677 Views

Actually it's trying to sort who is to blame for various idiocies. Cannoli - 27/11/2009 08:25:28 PM 641 Views

hrmm Yunalesca - 27/11/2009 11:12:04 PM 535 Views

Re: Who comes out looking worst in the Egwene-Suana encounter? Egwene, Suana or B-Sand? Sidious - 27/11/2009 08:27:29 PM 721 Views

Re: Who comes out looking worst in the Egwene-Suana encounter? Egwene, Suana or B-Sand? Mat_Cauthon33 - 27/11/2009 08:43:42 PM 683 Views

I agree that B-Sand did an excellent job overall darius_sedai - 27/11/2009 08:51:41 PM 656 Views

Re: I agree that B-Sand did an excellent job overall Sidious - 27/11/2009 09:12:14 PM 561 Views

Re: I agree that B-Sand did an excellent job overall darius_sedai - 27/11/2009 09:15:01 PM 584 Views

Re: I agree that B-Sand did an excellent job overall Sidious - 27/11/2009 09:20:17 PM 532 Views

You are correct! darius_sedai - 27/11/2009 09:21:08 PM 517 Views

Why would I justify obviously right actions? Cannoli - 27/11/2009 09:25:45 PM 616 Views

This sounds like the descriptions I've heard of The Sword of Truth. Fanatic-Templar - 27/11/2009 10:01:33 PM 543 Views

Have you actually read that? It's so booooooring. Cannoli - 27/11/2009 09:23:27 PM 556 Views

Well it's the raving of a lunatic darius_sedai - 27/11/2009 09:26:27 PM 553 Views

like the scene at natrin's barrows? moondog - 28/11/2009 05:56:21 PM 600 Views

This line gave me a laugh... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/11/2009 12:44:14 AM 587 Views

Re: Who comes out looking worst in the Egwene-Suana encounter? Egwene, Suana or B-Sand? Cannoli - 27/11/2009 09:17:58 PM 604 Views

Re: Who comes out looking worst in the Egwene-Suana encounter? Egwene, Suana or B-Sand? Sidious - 27/11/2009 09:31:23 PM 577 Views

Nice one, Mr. Chauvinist, but you do make a point, too Lordling - 27/11/2009 09:19:33 PM 592 Views

Re: Who comes out looking worst in the Egwene-Suana encounter? Egwene, Suana or B-Sand? Insomdeon - 27/11/2009 10:19:14 PM 563 Views

Re: Who comes out looking worst in the Egwene-Suana encounter? Egwene, Suana or B-Sand? rAndy aL - 28/11/2009 01:32:57 AM 621 Views

Yes. A VERY lame joke. Cannoli - 28/11/2009 11:20:34 AM 765 Views

Lets look at it in perspective Ryan - 28/11/2009 02:23:37 AM 632 Views

Deconstruction of failed comprehension TheUltimateReality - 30/11/2009 10:04:24 PM 536 Views

I was reminded of Elaida's liking for plants guttering flame - 01/12/2009 07:51:31 AM 536 Views

Silly Cannoli BlackAdder - 01/12/2009 11:41:21 PM 825 Views

You got to admit, reading Cannoli is fun!

*NM* Skeeve the Great - 10/12/2009 02:46:01 AM 240 Views

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<quote>I've been saying for years that you don't need to be good at Healing to be in the Yellows. It's merely where your interest lies. I actually think there are Yellows who are only average at Healing and have to strain to Heal a broken arm. Consider that Anaiya is Blue but is a good healer... she doesn't want to be Yellow.  There are probably weak healers in the Yellows who have adept political skill, but they're not interested in being Blue. The ajah isn't their permanent occupation or even their identity really - it's where they live and who their friends are, and what their attitude towards the Power is.</quote> I hold the same position, but you would think it would take more than a modicum of that skill.  How can someone TRULY hold Healing to be paramount in importance and be unable to do it?  How is a person supposed to resolve that dichotomy of thinking something is great and wonderful and important, but they suck at it?  I would think such a person could find better things to do with her life than hanging around like some sort of pathetic Yellow-groupie.  It would be like letting a burned-out woman still call herself Aes Sedai and hang around the Tower.  Her mind is the same, after all...  
Furthermore, if that whole "fixing things" mentality was TRULY a part of the Yellow, why was Romanda so pressed for a rationale to take charge of the embassy to the Black Tower?  Either that is NOT the Yellows' mentality, and just an interpretation of Sanderson, or else the Salidar crew has the worst Yellows.

<quote>You need to hate men to be a Red - that's hardly more trivial than if you like to fix things.</quote> Yeah, that's according to everyone but the Reds. 8} The hating men is a RESULT of being in the Reds, just like arrogance is a result of being in the Yellows.

<quote>Because Nynaeve is rarely right about anything. Between Egwene and Nynaeve, Egwene got all the brains. Nynaeve is just emotion that you need to aim. Nynaeve stubbornly believes in her stupid herbs but not only are they greatly inferior even to the meanest Healing, but they probably don't work AT ALL.</quote> Ah, so she's Healing herself when she takes them?  And as for Nynaeve being emotional and intuitive, she is more often right with her feelings and hunches than Egwene is by any reasoning.  Egwene lacks both Nynaeve's inuitive...wisdom for lack of a better term, and true intellectual ability.  What she does have is good instincts and a nose for opportunity.  Egwene makes the most of things and recognizes cirucmstances without thinking about them.  She doesn't have the pure rational faculties to reason things out.

<quote>It was a passing comment with no weight from Egwene. Besides, you don't know how the Tower has changed. Perhaps forkroot has created some interest in herbs.</quote> Hence, food. 8} The point is, why such associations.  She sees food and thinks "medicine."  Is she the idiot or Sanderson?

<quote>Or instead of Healing the injured all day she's a normal person with hobbies, like growing plants.</quote>  True dat.  But Egwene equates it with Nynaeve's professional interests. So, wrong again.

<quote>Or more likely Egwene entered the room and saw lots of plants, so her mind jumped to healing Herbs because she was in the room of the LEADER OF THE AJAH.</quote> So, because she's in the Healing Ajah, her "food" must therefore be "medicine"?

<quote>The scene can be summarized as...
- Egwene notices things and keeps them to herself.</quote>
Furtive and sneaky
<quote>- Suana has hobbies.</quote>
To which Egwene attributes odd significance.
</quote>

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