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You must not have been reading the same series I have. Legolas Send a noteboard - 07/12/2009 10:33:23 PM
I have struggled with Elayne and Egwene. I suspect the problem is that they are TOO realistic: teenage girls with a teenage girl world view (it's-all-about-me-pretending-its-about-you).

Here I can see your point, though honestly, if Egwene's guilty of that, most Aes Sedai other than Cadsuane, Moiraine and a few others are. Not being teenage girls, obviously, but self-involved and concerned with nothing but the Tower, their Ajah and themselves, not necessarily in that order.
Inexperienced, immature, hormonal, cute and powerful. No wonder Rand hides away.

Here, somewhat. Elayne has moments when her noble upbringing and lack of understanding of the real world shine through, but they're hardly that frequent, apart from the odd behaviour in SR and FoH; same with Egwene's occasional stupid ideas. And in later books, I don't think you can call either immature, much less inexperienced.
Think of of Elayne as Clare (Hayden Panettiere) in Heroes. Adorable, well meaning, and - to paraphrase Douglas Adams - brain the size of a small plant. (Doesn't dropping a vowel make a difference?)

Actually, she's one of the smartest of the main characters. And, considering her upbringing, surprisingly good at admitting mistakes when she does get it wrong, as seen from Mat's PoV.
Egwene is more Padme (Natalie Portman) in Phantom Menace. A 14 year old elected Queen (one of George's weirder ideas) with that earnest, well-meaning uppity-naivete that is simultaneously sweet and terrifying. Gawyn also suits as Anakin - ninja psychopath incapable of empathy or self-analysis.

Gawyn as Anakin is funny because it's so true. ;) As for Egwene and Padme, I haven't seen tPM in ages... but annoying as Egwene can be, and tiresome as her PoV gets, she's rarely naive.
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Semirhage and Egwene redqueen - 04/12/2009 02:31:45 PM 1933 Views
I agree with all of that. nossy - 04/12/2009 02:58:48 PM 1185 Views
Re: I agree with all of that. *NM* Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:22:49 PM 566 Views
Re: I agree with all of that. nossy - 04/12/2009 03:29:46 PM 1134 Views
Re: I agree with all of that. Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:33:03 PM 1136 Views
Re: I agree with all of that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/12/2009 04:13:55 PM 1009 Views
The entire cast is full of Perfect Sues and Stuarts (I may have just made latter up) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/12/2009 03:14:27 PM 1169 Views
If you plan to write that review before the last two books are out, you better get re-reading now. *NM* Insomdeon - 04/12/2009 03:20:31 PM 515 Views
I'm actually pretty comfortable with it! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/12/2009 04:12:32 PM 1102 Views
Re: I'm actually pretty comfortable with it! darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 06:50:10 PM 1106 Views
about Semirhage Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:21:32 PM 1508 Views
but nossy - 04/12/2009 03:26:29 PM 1060 Views
Re: but Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:35:52 PM 1068 Views
Re: but nossy - 04/12/2009 03:46:00 PM 1177 Views
Re: but Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:51:03 PM 1105 Views
Cadsuane is rather close to perfect herself. Legolas - 04/12/2009 08:37:21 PM 1229 Views
Re: but TaskmasterJack - 04/12/2009 05:04:12 PM 1064 Views
Re: but WAV - 04/12/2009 05:41:51 PM 1108 Views
She was never THAT person. Wotmaniac Reborn - 06/12/2009 01:22:39 AM 1040 Views
Never WHAT person? nossy - 06/12/2009 10:21:43 PM 1087 Views
I'm not sure I agree Sidious - 08/12/2009 12:54:43 PM 924 Views
I agree! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/12/2009 04:31:24 PM 1026 Views
Re: about Semirhage redqueen - 04/12/2009 08:16:15 PM 1074 Views
Alas, Semirhage was actually an idiot Etzel - 04/12/2009 05:03:48 PM 1203 Views
Re: Alas, Semirhage was actually an idiot darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 06:42:41 PM 1097 Views
If one compares the characters... Etzel - 05/12/2009 11:24:16 AM 990 Views
Did I miss Rand's marriage ceremonies? I always thought the three girls only bonded him *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 05/12/2009 11:27:36 AM 501 Views
You are right... Etzel - 05/12/2009 12:21:59 PM 1061 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 05/12/2009 05:11:28 PM 1030 Views
Egwene had the best mix of teachers and a desire to learn. Most believable, IMO. *NM* fionwe1987 - 04/12/2009 10:17:56 PM 520 Views
That's really nonsense Etzel - 05/12/2009 11:13:20 AM 975 Views
I think your perception is very skewed darius_sedai - 05/12/2009 05:16:46 PM 1053 Views
Agreed Sidious - 05/12/2009 06:15:46 PM 1060 Views
Bull! fionwe1987 - 06/12/2009 02:55:13 AM 1031 Views
Rabbit! BlackAdder - 06/12/2009 04:14:10 AM 972 Views
Re: Alas, Semirhage was actually an idiot Sidious - 05/12/2009 06:11:40 PM 1021 Views
Indeed darius_sedai - 05/12/2009 06:30:39 PM 1096 Views
And yet Egwene is still a fool regarding Gawyn. Lord Haart - 04/12/2009 05:44:49 PM 1117 Views
Gawyn is a fool all of his own redqueen - 04/12/2009 08:02:10 PM 1073 Views
Re: Gawyn is a fool all of his own Lord Haart - 05/12/2009 05:54:11 AM 982 Views
Please stop - your use of logic here is sickening! BlackAdder - 06/12/2009 04:43:31 AM 1030 Views
I disagree with most of that rAndy aL - 05/12/2009 10:58:12 AM 1089 Views
Egwene has a long way to go ... Abunderment - 05/12/2009 06:16:31 PM 1128 Views
Hardly a blunder Nameless Ashaman - 06/12/2009 01:43:54 AM 1024 Views
Re: Hardly a blunder? Send Egwene back to Silviana. Abunderment - 07/12/2009 04:03:08 PM 1053 Views
Or she her rescue forced her hand. She lost her advantage darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 04:47:56 PM 921 Views
She lost her advantage?!? Siuan probably saved her life Abunderment - 09/12/2009 11:57:26 AM 1024 Views
darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 03:24:34 PM 1084 Views
She should have attacked when they first arrived Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 09:35:33 PM 946 Views
Don't damn me, damn Graendal Abunderment - 09/12/2009 12:51:18 PM 980 Views
Re: Don't damn me, damn Graendal Nameless Ashaman - 09/12/2009 06:11:53 PM 1178 Views
A couple of points darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 07:11:18 PM 1045 Views
Yes, the Aes Sedai need to rediscover the meaning of "servants of all" *NM* BlackAdder - 06/12/2009 05:03:19 AM 1057 Views
I'm re-reading the series now for the first time in years. Egwene has always been a weak character. Master Radishes - 07/12/2009 01:12:15 AM 1023 Views
LOL *NM* Sidious - 07/12/2009 04:29:56 AM 437 Views
I think you'll find few people who agree with you on both of those counts... Legolas - 07/12/2009 01:53:58 PM 1067 Views
Not at all. Master Radishes - 07/12/2009 03:20:38 PM 973 Views
Irritating teen spirits ... Abunderment - 07/12/2009 04:32:51 PM 1077 Views
As long as the bags were Louis Vuitton all would be fine *NM* darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 04:51:13 PM 555 Views
You must not have been reading the same series I have. Legolas - 07/12/2009 10:33:23 PM 1161 Views
Re: You must not have been reading the same series I have. Abunderment - 09/12/2009 01:12:56 PM 982 Views
Re: You must not have been reading the same series I have. Legolas - 09/12/2009 02:59:04 PM 1195 Views
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