Coulda done without the sarcasm, but whatever. See, this is why I rarely posted on wotmania either, even though I was a member there forever. I used to post there that I liked Egwene and people absolutely KILLED themselves to tell me how stupid I was.

In response to your post, I really meant from a VIRTUOUS point of view although I guess that would have been easy to miss from my original post. I'm not saying she hasn't done anything amazing. But her motivations have rarely if ever been anything but spiteful, selfish, anger-based or rooted in a need to prove herself to others. Sending Lan off to ride through the Borderlands is the first thing I remember her doing that she actually did without baser motivation, setting her own selfishness aside in favor of the wants and needs of others. Even her protective nature toward Rand and Company seems to me less a true concern for their well-being and more of a territorial motivation, again springing from her own selfish needs to assert her authority. I don't doubt she cares about them, but she STILL thinks of them as "her" people, for crying out loud!

All that said, I actually like Nyaeve more than I dislike her. I just think she's kind of an ignorant kid who still has a damn lot of growing up to do. With the exception of maybe Perrin, who still persists in being a whiny-ass pansy, she has grown the least of any main character.

Forgive me if I tend to admire people more for their inner motivations and core characters than their surface accomplishments. Sorry.