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Re: Here is a quote by RJ Datakim Send a noteboard - 16/01/2010 03:26:13 PM

He obviously treats SaSG as cannon here, and I think it wouldn't make much sense to write this piece to explain the readers what happened then (apparently RJ couldn't put all the info into the series that well), but that this explanation is actually wrong. But as said, while it isn't explicitely stated, I think it's possible that ta'veren or the influence of the Pattern was also a reason, why the women refused to help LTT, besides the political quarrels.

Okay, I found the text and here is a quote from the very beginning of the actual story of tSaSG:

by Jorille Mondevin,
Royal Historian to the Court of
Her Most Illuminated Majesty, Ethenielle Kirukon Materasu,
By the Blessing of the Light,
Queen of Kandor,
Protector of the Land,
Shield of the North,
High Seat of House Materasu.

Then we get the text.

And at the end we get:

The most suitable comment surely comes from what appears to be the introduction of the fragmentary manuscript. “Whoever read this, if any remain to read it, weep for us who have no more tears. Pray for us who are damned alive.”

There are several more references to this "manuscript". So yes, obviously the text is canon. But it is canon the way the books are canon, and not the way something RJ said directly to the fans is.

Moiraine may say something in the books, this is canon, but it can also be incorrect since Moiraine is WRONG.

Just like it is canon that the manuscript was found in WoT, and that this Jorille Mondevin wrote tSaSG based on that, and that just like Moiraine, she could be WRONG!

See what I mean? tSaSG is not to be dismissed, but the way RJ wrote it also means that if parts of it are proven incorrect in the final books, its not a case of being inconsistent, but rather a case of the book(which RJ said was written by a scholar in WoT world) being wrong since the "manuscript" was partially inaccurate or mistranslations happened or such.

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LTT and the bore. Datakim - 16/01/2010 02:50:34 AM 1614 Views

I think there is a scene in KoD or CoT Ryan - 16/01/2010 02:57:13 AM 928 Views

Re: I think there is a scene in KoD or CoT Datakim - 16/01/2010 03:23:14 AM 910 Views

I always thought the scene with Cadsuane an empty threat... Voscaia Sedai - 16/01/2010 12:28:17 PM 850 Views

It's in KoD, but I don't know exactly what it's got to do with this? darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 06:51:37 AM 744 Views

Re: It's in KoD, but I don't know exactly what it's got to do with this? Ryan - 19/01/2010 05:13:26 AM 760 Views

You'll need to provide the quote then ... otherwise I'm not sure what you are talking about darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:14:20 AM 696 Views

It had to be a circle of six men and six women... fionwe1987 - 16/01/2010 03:18:16 AM 874 Views

there is no such thing as a circle of 6 and 6 darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 03:35:17 AM 794 Views

Re: It had to be a circle of six men and six women... Datakim - 16/01/2010 03:37:49 AM 882 Views

Here's the quote... fionwe1987 - 16/01/2010 06:02:49 AM 907 Views

Re: Here's the quote... Datakim - 16/01/2010 04:00:11 PM 798 Views

I think it's more like a woman of Sorilea's strength than Nynaeve's that he worried about darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:19:24 PM 726 Views

Dude, you seem to not read what is written... fionwe1987 - 16/01/2010 07:28:27 PM 819 Views

Hmm... Sidious - 18/01/2010 11:21:41 AM 752 Views

It could be that the Pattern Made LPD a Ta'varen for a period of time... MightyYT - 16/01/2010 04:03:14 AM 766 Views

I think... Etzel - 16/01/2010 11:31:18 AM 905 Views

Re: I think... Datakim - 16/01/2010 01:27:40 PM 867 Views

In my view... Etzel - 16/01/2010 01:50:03 PM 700 Views

Re: In my view... Datakim - 16/01/2010 02:11:20 PM 707 Views

We know... Etzel - 16/01/2010 02:43:41 PM 821 Views

Its presented as fact Ryan - 16/01/2010 03:00:33 PM 712 Views

Here is a quote by RJ Etzel - 16/01/2010 03:10:28 PM 758 Views

Re: Here is a quote by RJ Datakim - 16/01/2010 03:26:13 PM 797 Views

In my opinion Etzel - 16/01/2010 03:51:02 PM 686 Views

RJ was as slippery as an AS! darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:31:02 PM 705 Views

Re: RJ was as slippery as an AS! Ryan - 18/01/2010 06:09:40 AM 666 Views

RJ could be tricky, true... Etzel - 19/01/2010 02:56:05 PM 716 Views

RJ changed his mind about a lot of stuff throughout the series darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 06:35:09 PM 721 Views

Re: We know... Datakim - 16/01/2010 03:17:54 PM 759 Views

It's in any case clear... Etzel - 16/01/2010 03:27:49 PM 675 Views

Re: It's in any case clear... Datakim - 16/01/2010 03:44:33 PM 786 Views

I don't think Etzel - 16/01/2010 03:56:25 PM 734 Views

The question is how many people were still alive? Ryan - 18/01/2010 06:19:49 AM 764 Views

Indeed. *NM* Etzel - 19/01/2010 02:47:58 PM 286 Views

Did you read my second post? *NM* fionwe1987 - 16/01/2010 03:42:23 PM 405 Views

I spent a lot of time thinking on the population issue too. I think it was a matter of ... amirebram - 18/01/2010 07:51:31 PM 773 Views

My Thoughts Nolan - 16/01/2010 09:43:33 PM 702 Views

Wow, that's an interesting point. It's even more signnificant since T'A'R is supposed to ... amirebram - 18/01/2010 07:36:35 PM 663 Views

The women needed to balance the men Cannoli - 18/01/2010 12:12:27 PM 780 Views

What if Rand usesTP to off the DO? super nova - 22/01/2010 05:54:13 PM 699 Views

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He obviously treats SaSG as cannon here, and I think it wouldn't make much sense to write this piece to explain the readers what happened then (apparently RJ couldn't put all the info into the series that well), but that this explanation is actually wrong. But as said, while it isn't explicitely stated, I think it's possible that ta'veren or the influence of the Pattern was also a reason, why the women refused to help LTT, besides the political quarrels.</quote>

Okay, I found the text and here is a quote from the very beginning of the actual story of tSaSG:

<quote>
by Jorille Mondevin,
Royal Historian to the Court of
Her Most Illuminated Majesty, Ethenielle Kirukon Materasu,
By the Blessing of the Light,
Queen of Kandor,
Protector of the Land,
Shield of the North,
High Seat of House Materasu.
</quote>

Then we get the text.

And at the end we get:
<quote>
The most suitable comment surely comes from what appears to be the introduction of the fragmentary manuscript. “Whoever read this, if any remain to read it, weep for us who have no more tears. Pray for us who are damned alive.”
</quote>

There are several more references to this "manuscript". So yes, obviously the text is canon. But it is canon the way the books are canon, and not the way something RJ said directly to the fans is.

Moiraine may say something in the books, this is canon, but it can also be incorrect since Moiraine is WRONG.

Just like it is canon that the manuscript was found in WoT, and that this Jorille Mondevin wrote tSaSG based on that, and that just like Moiraine, she could be WRONG!

See what I mean? tSaSG is not to be dismissed, but the way RJ wrote it also means that if parts of it are proven incorrect in the final books, its not a case of being inconsistent, but rather a case of the book(which RJ said was written by a scholar in WoT world) being wrong since the "manuscript" was partially inaccurate or mistranslations happened or such.
</quote>

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