Fact: Avi and Rand were in the Southern Hemisphere of Seanchan in that FoH igloo scene. RJ confirmed this in Q&A, once. I can dig up the quote, if needed.
Assumption: Avi and Rand were on the eastern edge of the Southern Hemisphere. When Rand woke up, he watched the sun rise over a "vast ocean", which must have been the Aryth Ocean.
Fact: According to the Guide, the eastern edge of the Southern Hemisphere of Seanchan is about half way around the world from Cairhien (where Avi's gateway originated). So, about 12,000 miles = ~12 1hr time zones to the West (as looking at the map in the Guide). The earth is 25,000 miles in circumferance, and the day is 24 hours long, so each 1 hr time zone is slighly more than 1000 miles wide, at the equator.
Fact: When Avi and Rand left the igloo, the sun was just rising. This was specifically stated in the scene.
Fact: When Avi and Rand returned to Cairhien through the Gateway (after first encountering that Seanchan patrol), it was approximately two hours before dawn (according to Asmo).
The only way Rand and Avi could have seen the sunrise at point A, Travel, and then see it rise again in 2 hours at point B, is if point B (Cairhien) was ~2,000 miles west of point A (Seanchan). But, that's not the case.
So, either RJ made a mistake when describing the sunrise timing in the two places, in that sceen. Or, Avi's Gateway to Seanchan opened into the past or future. But, RJ was asked once if the timing of that scene was deliberately calculated on his part, taking into account time zones, and RJ said yes, he knew exactly how far west Seanchan was. Implying that the sun behavior he described in the scene was exactly as he wanted it to be - i.e. NOT an error.
Even if the one assumption above is incorrect, if you look at the map of the whole world in the Guide, there is NO place on Seanchan, in either hemisphere, that could account for only a two hour difference in sunrise time between Seanchan and Cairhien. The only way there could have been a 2hr difference in sunrise time is if Rand and Avi had been at a longitude about 2 hrs east of Cairhien - i.e. in the Aiel Waste.
I don't like the idea of time travel Gateways, but I'm at a loss to find another explanation, given the info above.
Assumption: Avi and Rand were on the eastern edge of the Southern Hemisphere. When Rand woke up, he watched the sun rise over a "vast ocean", which must have been the Aryth Ocean.
Fact: According to the Guide, the eastern edge of the Southern Hemisphere of Seanchan is about half way around the world from Cairhien (where Avi's gateway originated). So, about 12,000 miles = ~12 1hr time zones to the West (as looking at the map in the Guide). The earth is 25,000 miles in circumferance, and the day is 24 hours long, so each 1 hr time zone is slighly more than 1000 miles wide, at the equator.
Fact: When Avi and Rand left the igloo, the sun was just rising. This was specifically stated in the scene.
Fact: When Avi and Rand returned to Cairhien through the Gateway (after first encountering that Seanchan patrol), it was approximately two hours before dawn (according to Asmo).
The only way Rand and Avi could have seen the sunrise at point A, Travel, and then see it rise again in 2 hours at point B, is if point B (Cairhien) was ~2,000 miles west of point A (Seanchan). But, that's not the case.
So, either RJ made a mistake when describing the sunrise timing in the two places, in that sceen. Or, Avi's Gateway to Seanchan opened into the past or future. But, RJ was asked once if the timing of that scene was deliberately calculated on his part, taking into account time zones, and RJ said yes, he knew exactly how far west Seanchan was. Implying that the sun behavior he described in the scene was exactly as he wanted it to be - i.e. NOT an error.
Even if the one assumption above is incorrect, if you look at the map of the whole world in the Guide, there is NO place on Seanchan, in either hemisphere, that could account for only a two hour difference in sunrise time between Seanchan and Cairhien. The only way there could have been a 2hr difference in sunrise time is if Rand and Avi had been at a longitude about 2 hrs east of Cairhien - i.e. in the Aiel Waste.
I don't like the idea of time travel Gateways, but I'm at a loss to find another explanation, given the info above.
Rise and fall, turn the Wheel,
'cause all life is
is really just a circle.
-BHT&tM
'cause all life is
is really just a circle.
-BHT&tM
TFoH e-book cover features Moiraine shortly before she attacks Lanfear
04/02/2010 07:07:08 PM
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Two things
04/02/2010 07:19:08 PM
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I think that Slayer killed Asmo. *NM*
04/02/2010 07:26:47 PM
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Hmmm....
04/02/2010 09:23:34 PM
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Slayer...
04/02/2010 09:36:01 PM
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Ok....
04/02/2010 09:43:32 PM
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Well...
04/02/2010 09:52:23 PM
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Slayer is a good candidate.
04/02/2010 10:03:35 PM
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Is he a 'master' of T'A'R or does he just know a few tricks?
04/02/2010 10:31:01 PM
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Re: Is he a 'master' of T'A'R or does he just know a few tricks?
05/02/2010 05:04:57 PM
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Slayer would just use TAR to appear at a certain location in the Real World to surprise Asmo...
06/02/2010 08:59:27 AM
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So, Slayer is the good guy now?
06/02/2010 03:56:42 PM
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? *NM*
06/02/2010 04:59:30 PM
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"The rule is that the good guys always beat the baddies, even if the baddies are very able people."
06/02/2010 08:50:24 PM
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Re: Slayer would just use TAR to appear at a certain location in the Real World to surprise Asmo...
06/02/2010 09:25:23 PM
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I thought she looked like some space princess from a shi..bad sci-fi book *NM*
04/02/2010 07:32:42 PM
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I like the color, but she looks like a gypsy.
04/02/2010 08:29:12 PM
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Yeah, I agree, this comment was rather tongue-in-cheek. *NM*
04/02/2010 08:39:32 PM
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Hah! I have inflamed sinuses so I was being overly editorial whilst in work-mode *NM*
04/02/2010 11:06:58 PM
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Re: I like the color, but she looks like a gypsy.
05/02/2010 01:21:04 AM
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Hah! The Sweet cover actually had Moiraine wearing a nice gown in TSR
05/02/2010 02:48:45 PM
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Why are these cover photos always taken when it's so damn windy outside?
04/02/2010 09:04:28 PM
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Fake!
04/02/2010 09:06:57 PM
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It's a paradox, you must expand your mind ...
04/02/2010 09:12:38 PM
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Freaking awsome...
04/02/2010 09:24:49 PM
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I just saw the "All Good Things" episode a couple of nights ago ...
04/02/2010 09:45:28 PM
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That reminds me...
04/02/2010 09:29:54 PM
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It was based on Aviendha's gateway, I think. Seanchan timezones were involved, IIRC. *NM*
04/02/2010 09:37:39 PM
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That and her gateway to the Kin's Farm before the Bowl of the Winds was used.
04/02/2010 10:40:01 PM
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Yes ...
04/02/2010 10:20:54 PM
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Re: Yes ...
04/02/2010 10:54:15 PM
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I remember some of your theory ...
04/02/2010 11:14:32 PM
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Re: I remember some of your theory ...
05/02/2010 01:18:43 AM
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There were two of them LitN's was brief and not very fleshed out. Mine was more complete
04/02/2010 10:38:10 PM
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Wow, a cover art plot flaw
04/02/2010 10:05:28 PM
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Another plot flaw: Moiraine doesn't wear gypsy jewelry or cheap girdles around her waist.
04/02/2010 10:33:48 PM
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Re: Another plot flaw: Moiraine doesn't wear gypsy jewelry or cheap girdles around her waist.
05/02/2010 01:27:46 AM
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And isn't it always described as a "fine chain" that her blue forehead stone dangles from? *NM*
05/02/2010 02:32:14 PM
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It is before the battle, when Mo places the angreal. *NM*
04/02/2010 10:48:17 PM
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I can only imagine your reaction when you saw Lord of Chaos's cover art!
05/02/2010 01:57:56 AM
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Meh, the Dragkar could have been there for all we know, how often do characters look up? *NM*
05/02/2010 05:29:56 AM
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Gosh, do you even read the books?
05/02/2010 02:33:33 AM
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