A point to understand about Egwene as a ruler... (Incoming wall'o'text...
vandevere Send a noteboard - 07/02/2010 06:43:43 PM
One has to differentiate between the private person, and one who is called upon to rule. In Egwene's case, she has to be both a Private person, and a Public person. On top of that, she now has the responsibility of leading the now-reunited Aes Sedai.
In a time when rulers of any kind are rarely hampered by constitutional checks on their powers-Earth during Middle Ages and Renaissance period,and seemingly all of Rand's world-a ruler very often simply can't afford to be seen as a kindly person.
A ruler in that type of cultural mindset needs to be seen as both autocratic, and in touch with the people he/she rules. Two real world examples would be Henry VIII, and his daughter, Elizabeth I.
I don't imagine one could call either one of them very nice people. But they did superbly well by their nation. And this, in spite of having to face some very serious problems, some self-created, others not.
On to Egwene...
The Aes Sedai don't need a nice Amyrlin right now. They need a capable one who is, above all else, a realist.
They also need one who can bring all the various factions within the Tower to heel; so they're going to need a tough Amyrlin as well...
They're going to need an Amyrlin who can order the executions of DFs and BAs without batting an eyelash, or dithering.
And they're going to need an Amyrlin who can do all of that, while keeping up expected appearances to both the inside and outside world, while getting rid of factional hatreds.
No, I don't think Egwene's growing up to be a very nice woman at all. But, she can't afford to.
But, she's well on her way to becoming the White Tower's very own Elizabeth I...
In a time when rulers of any kind are rarely hampered by constitutional checks on their powers-Earth during Middle Ages and Renaissance period,and seemingly all of Rand's world-a ruler very often simply can't afford to be seen as a kindly person.
A ruler in that type of cultural mindset needs to be seen as both autocratic, and in touch with the people he/she rules. Two real world examples would be Henry VIII, and his daughter, Elizabeth I.
I don't imagine one could call either one of them very nice people. But they did superbly well by their nation. And this, in spite of having to face some very serious problems, some self-created, others not.
On to Egwene...
The Aes Sedai don't need a nice Amyrlin right now. They need a capable one who is, above all else, a realist.
They also need one who can bring all the various factions within the Tower to heel; so they're going to need a tough Amyrlin as well...
They're going to need an Amyrlin who can order the executions of DFs and BAs without batting an eyelash, or dithering.
And they're going to need an Amyrlin who can do all of that, while keeping up expected appearances to both the inside and outside world, while getting rid of factional hatreds.
No, I don't think Egwene's growing up to be a very nice woman at all. But, she can't afford to.
But, she's well on her way to becoming the White Tower's very own Elizabeth I...
If the human brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't understand it.
I was wrong about Egwene.
06/02/2010 09:46:43 AM
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BTW, I am the god of Irony. Bow to me. *NM*
06/02/2010 09:47:20 AM
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I think that if there's a real message to take out of this
06/02/2010 02:55:47 PM
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yes she's politically shrewd if completely amoral
06/02/2010 05:03:19 PM
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Re: yes she's politically shrewd if completely amoral
06/02/2010 06:08:40 PM
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In her defense, she has no way of getting in contact with him
06/02/2010 11:28:37 PM
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Re: In her defense, she has no way of getting in contact with him
06/02/2010 11:47:04 PM
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Re: In her defense, she has no way of getting in contact with him
07/02/2010 02:43:13 AM
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Re: In her defense, she has no way of getting in contact with him
07/02/2010 11:13:39 PM
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It really is her most defining quality
06/02/2010 06:27:17 PM
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That was nothing.
06/02/2010 08:48:39 PM
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The only mitigating factor was that she had already dumped Rand at that time
06/02/2010 11:34:45 PM
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Re: The only mitigating factor was that she had already dumped Rand at that time
06/02/2010 11:51:48 PM
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There was a nice beginning - "Cannoli: I was wrong about Egwene"...
06/02/2010 06:42:18 PM
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A point to understand about Egwene as a ruler... (Incoming wall'o'text...
07/02/2010 06:43:43 PM
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Sure, way to convince me. Compare her to two of the most despicable Anglophonic rulers in history
08/02/2010 05:18:55 AM
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I like Egwene.
08/02/2010 10:22:14 AM
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And the greater good always conveniently requires her being in charge or getting more power *NM*
12/02/2010 12:19:05 AM
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Yes, just like for Rand. *NM*
12/02/2010 12:24:57 AM
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Re: Rand goes out of his way to discarge authority to others; Egwene, well hopefully in the future *NM*
13/02/2010 04:20:31 AM
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Ummm... what? When? *NM*
13/02/2010 04:53:50 AM
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Like his Stewards & supporting loyal rulers. *NM*
15/02/2010 02:30:32 PM
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Darlin, Caroline, Elayne, Ituralde, Bashere, Logain, Rhuarc, etc.
15/02/2010 05:57:05 PM
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Oh you mean all those guys he treats like his personal b*tches? *NM*
15/02/2010 06:10:17 PM
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Re: Oh you mean all those guys he treats like his personal b*tches?
16/02/2010 08:10:02 PM
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Well, Egwene has lackeys too!
15/02/2010 08:12:17 PM
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Re: Well, Egwene has lackeys too!
15/02/2010 10:37:50 PM
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And she does not delegate to them. And no, sorting out rank among minions is not delegating power
15/02/2010 11:00:03 PM
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Rand can certainly be domineering, but nowhere near as much as Egwene.
13/02/2010 06:31:15 AM
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right, because she's threatened to hang people who disobey, or bodily thrown people out of her rooms
15/02/2010 06:11:18 PM
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She's in a different environment. What serious challenge has she faced?
15/02/2010 06:54:53 PM
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people like her in real life are not likeable, but they are necessary in society.
08/02/2010 09:55:35 PM
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