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Re: Well I couldn't stay away forever now could I? SilverWarder Send a noteboard - 09/09/2009 05:37:38 PM

It's actual a prequel, I think, called Old Man's War. Wait, am I thinking of the wrong author? :confused:


Jh is right - Old Man's War is John Scalzi. I got it from a friend as a birthday present (I think it was) last year. Enjoyable book but I don't think it quite qualifies as Dystopian. Or maybe it does - depends on how you define it really. It does have a lot of analogues to the Forever War.



I don't know, allowing something like that to happen seems like brainwashing in itself to me. I'm not quite misogynistic enough to call it "natural" female behavior.


I don't quite follow. Allowing what to happen? Being abducted and raped? That can't be it. Allowing society to get like that in the first place? That's not that far a stretch, there are those who would go that far, without question. The society itself is pretty misogynist and got that way through the spur of their reproductive issues. All those things could happen. A Handmaid's tale is 'closer' than 1984 in that those things are believable enough.

Where it falls apart is the matter of the opposition. You would think that they could do better presented with the opportunities of the Handmaids. I'm pretty sure I could were I heading up that society's 'bad guys' (and trust me, that's where I'd be).



Yeah, that's how I felt about it- how could it happen?


Particularly in such a short period of time. Never mind that 1984's assumptions don't include much at all in the way of computer systems. So who monitors all those folks from the Lower Party? Not the UP, there aren't enough of those. Not the Proles, that's for certain. Even if you had half of the LP as monitors they could only watch a person half the time - and then there are all those folks needed to watch the Proles as well.

Without an AI it just falls completely apart.


Genetic engineering? I don't know- it was in 1984.


Their technology didn't seem to support creche style births, which would mean breeding by artificial insemination or some such. More logistics...


That was the idea, actually. Just good for being one part of the whole, and not seeing himself as an individual.


That sounds more like where the society in Anthem eventually got to, and that's one of the things that falls apart in that story. Humans just ain't built like that.
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