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I find this Euro-speculation humorous and misguided. Tom Send a noteboard - 18/08/2010 05:02:18 PM
The American mindset is such that even faced with overwhelming odds, the American is likely to say something more along the lines of "We'll win against all odds or die trying". It's a mindset that does not assume or accept defeat but recognizes that it is a possible outcome.

It has less to do with winning or losing wars (completely irrelevant) and far more to do with the way that the nation developed. Americans expanded westward on the basis of a generally optimistic outlook coupled with a willingness to struggle to make something. The people who came over here frequently had only the clothes on their backs, but were able, due to the opportunity of America, to become fabulously wealthy. Not everyone did, but that is the spirit and the basis of the nation.

As a result, Americans don't like heavy investment in social programs. Give everyone the opportunity and let people succeed or fail on their own merits. It's worked for almost 250 years.

As an aside, the South didn't "lose" in the mindset of Americans. It was "temporarily subdued", but "The South will rise again!" is a popular saying in the South to this day. No one has been defeated and the fight hasn't been forgotten. At least, that's the idea behind the saying.

I find this unwillingness to accept defeat an endearing and positive quality that will help keep America competitive even if China becomes a new superpower.

As for the Tolkien battle cry, it is a very nice Nordic sentiment along the lines of "Valhalla!" and I think a lot of Americans can appreciate the romantic, Wagnerian undertones of such a battle cry (without ever contemplating using it in a similar situation). The fact that one American does not understand it should not be imputed to the entirety of our great nation.

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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Worst battle cries of all time - 18/08/2010 02:33:32 PM 1332 Views
I like that - 18/08/2010 02:41:20 PM 877 Views
No doubt it's inspiring but I think he could have phrased it better *NM* - 18/08/2010 02:54:56 PM 419 Views
Are you American by any chance? - 18/08/2010 03:02:45 PM 900 Views
Lol! I don't know if that's really enlightened or really sad *NM* - 18/08/2010 04:17:16 PM 400 Views
Maybe both. *NM* - 18/08/2010 04:17:52 PM 396 Views
In fantasy it's very stirring but in real life it's...a waste *NM* - 18/08/2010 04:33:16 PM 408 Views
Depends what you are fighting for, I suppose *NM* - 18/08/2010 04:35:03 PM 399 Views
They haven't lost enough wars for that, maybe? - 18/08/2010 04:21:29 PM 840 Views
Re: They haven't lost enough wars for that, maybe? - 18/08/2010 04:26:46 PM 894 Views
I find this Euro-speculation humorous and misguided. - 18/08/2010 05:02:18 PM 928 Views
Wagnerian undertones - nice usage! *NM* - 18/08/2010 05:19:36 PM 391 Views
Well, if you like that, are you rethinking your initial assessment of the battle cry? *NM* - 18/08/2010 05:53:36 PM 362 Views
You know I might just be *NM* - 18/08/2010 06:09:15 PM 348 Views
It was an idle thought - 18/08/2010 05:36:52 PM 819 Views
I think that eurosocialism does have something to do with it - 18/08/2010 05:52:34 PM 823 Views
Re: I think that eurosocialism does have something to do with it - 18/08/2010 05:53:49 PM 772 Views
Who's lumping several societies into one? The European Union, most likley. *NM* - 18/08/2010 05:54:43 PM 364 Views
Ba-zing! *NM* - 18/08/2010 06:08:34 PM 369 Views
Quite - 18/08/2010 06:14:19 PM 758 Views
The former can come from being inundated with the latter. - 18/08/2010 07:36:52 PM 826 Views
who is talking about giving up?? - 18/08/2010 07:44:27 PM 764 Views
Re: who is talking about giving up?? - 18/08/2010 08:15:31 PM 772 Views
"Worked" being a relative term, of course. *NM* - 19/08/2010 04:20:23 AM 394 Views
Allow me to respectfully disagree - 23/08/2010 09:47:38 AM 813 Views
Re: Allow me to respectfully disagree - 23/08/2010 10:28:10 AM 788 Views
I know! - 23/08/2010 02:44:13 PM 869 Views
I like that one too. - 18/08/2010 02:54:18 PM 950 Views
While it is not in a movie or book...I think this one tops the list. - 19/08/2010 06:50:52 AM 1140 Views
Re: Worst battle cries of all time - 19/08/2010 02:24:14 PM 900 Views
Don't really see your point on the Alamo. You don't people think would be motivated by that? - 19/08/2010 04:02:49 PM 863 Views
I think he's saying... - 23/08/2010 03:02:03 AM 745 Views
"Hot Pie! Hot Pie!" - 20/08/2010 07:58:36 PM 794 Views

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