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I took it as implied Larry Send a noteboard - 10/09/2010 09:26:13 AM

Derrida argues in defining presence that there is no meaning that exists outside of a text (I'm trying to skirt the signifier/signified issue associated with this). The rest of the phrase quoted argues that this cannot be the case, that there are certain outside factors that influence how the voice/body in singing are perceived by the listening audience.

In other words, there are meanings outside of the "text" (the singing); Derrida's conclusions are wrong.

Hmmm. It is not clear from the snippet that the person thinks Derrida is wrong, only that the writer does not see his conclusions as having entered mainstream thinking and academic theories on voice.

But I do agree it is not clear. It certainly is something that's been rejected, it seems. A longer snippet certainly would have clarified that, at least.

Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.

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Someone explain this academic article snippet to me? The_Muted_Grimaud - 10/09/2010 01:28:05 AM 494 Views

First, you'd need to know about signifiers and the signified to understand Derrida's position Larry - 10/09/2010 05:40:22 AM 405 Views

Actually that helps a bundle. The_Muted_Grimaud - 10/09/2010 06:05:52 AM 423 Views

I had to be familiar with Derrida, Foucault, Barthes, and Lacan in grad school Larry - 10/09/2010 06:12:22 AM 360 Views

Re: First, you'd need to know about signifiers and the signified to understand Derrida's position Camilla - 10/09/2010 09:12:41 AM 389 Views

I took it as implied Larry - 10/09/2010 09:26:13 AM 402 Views

Re: I took it as implied Camilla - 10/09/2010 09:29:35 AM 445 Views

In literary criticism that is distressingly common. Ghavrel - 10/09/2010 07:16:40 AM 382 Views

Also, the few science articles I've read were very comprehensible, albeit with difficult terminology *NM* Ghavrel - 10/09/2010 07:18:52 AM 144 Views

Derridean critique of presence Camilla - 10/09/2010 09:43:51 AM 391 Views

I prefer Eco's semiotics approach Larry - 10/09/2010 10:08:42 AM 334 Views

Re: I prefer Eco's semiotics approach Camilla - 10/09/2010 10:10:26 AM 386 Views

I realize that Larry - 10/09/2010 11:18:07 AM 361 Views

Re: I realize that Camilla - 10/09/2010 01:22:49 PM 352 Views

I think I'll do it between reading a Spanish book and a Portuguese one Larry - 10/09/2010 01:35:50 PM 338 Views

This website will help you understand everything you need to about Derridaism. Tim - 13/09/2010 09:19:16 AM 433 Views

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<quote id="148473"><quote id="148470"><quote id="148422">Derrida argues in defining presence that there is no meaning that exists outside of a text (I'm trying to skirt the signifier/signified issue associated with this).  The rest of the phrase quoted argues that this cannot be the case, that there are certain outside factors that influence how the voice/body in singing are perceived by the listening audience.</quote></quote>

<quote id="148473"><quote id="148422">In other words, there are meanings outside of the "text" (the singing); Derrida's conclusions are wrong.</quote></quote>

<quote id="148473">Hmmm. It is not clear from the snippet that the person thinks Derrida is wrong, only that the writer does not see his conclusions as having entered mainstream thinking and academic theories on voice. </quote>

<quote id="148473">But I do agree it is not clear.  It certainly is something that's been rejected, it seems.  A longer snippet certainly would have clarified that, at least.</quote>

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