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Re: oh, and Camilla Send a noteboard - 18/10/2010 12:09:10 AM
I was fascinated by Bazarov. In the beginning I took a very strong dislike to him. I really, really cannot stand the type. He is brash, he takes pleasure in dismissing things out of hand, without really backing that up with any sort of understanding. His only claim to authority is his lack of authority, and that really is ... bogus. I couldn't agree more with Pavel Petrovich's comment that

The fact is that previously they were simply dunces and now they've suddenly become nihilists.

I loved that comment as well, but not because of Bazarov. I got the impression that Turgenev was allowing Pavel to be right about some in the movement, but also to make him miss the mark on Bazarov. Even though I do agree that B was awful in the beginning, Turgenev was already teaching us that he was richer than that. (I decided conclusively when Sitnikov and Kukshina showed up - Turgenev gave us perfect examples to show the range.)


While I agree that Sitnikov and Kukshina are a step beyond Bazarov in absurdity, his comments that ``I share no one's opinions'', when it was pointed out that he took the view of Proudhon, and the truly nonsensical comment about families being useless because sometimes they didn't work right ... it points to his being nonsensical in much the same way. Early on. I notice he changes, but in the beginning, he is dreadful. He has more authority in his statements than the other two, but I am not sure he has more understanding (at that point -- and I must stress that).
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Russian Book Club: Fathers and Sons by Turgenev. Tom - 17/10/2010 01:39:16 AM 1095 Views
Bazarov Camilla - 17/10/2010 02:12:03 PM 918 Views
never mind *NM* Camilla - 17/10/2010 02:15:16 PM 387 Views
The novel is very interested in inter-generational issues. Tom - 17/10/2010 05:28:29 PM 817 Views
Re: The novel is very interested in inter-generational issues. Camilla - 17/10/2010 11:59:37 PM 903 Views
oh, and nossy - 17/10/2010 06:42:38 PM 811 Views
Re: oh, and Camilla - 18/10/2010 12:09:10 AM 785 Views
I like the way you said that nossy - 19/10/2010 05:31:05 AM 830 Views
Re: I like the way you said that Camilla - 19/10/2010 09:24:00 AM 778 Views
I had pretty much the same reaction as you. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:05:37 PM 850 Views
Arkady Camilla - 17/10/2010 02:15:54 PM 768 Views
Well, that makes sense Tom - 17/10/2010 05:12:09 PM 764 Views
Re: Well, that makes sense Camilla - 18/10/2010 12:04:05 AM 773 Views
According to a footnote in my (Dutch) copy... Legolas - 18/10/2010 10:55:22 PM 804 Views
Ясень and ясный Tom - 18/10/2010 11:41:24 PM 784 Views
See, I liked Arkady nossy - 17/10/2010 06:08:57 PM 708 Views
Re: See, I liked Arkady Camilla - 18/10/2010 12:13:49 AM 753 Views
hm. nossy - 18/10/2010 01:06:44 AM 849 Views
Re: hm. Camilla - 18/10/2010 11:46:23 AM 1010 Views
Re: hm. nossy - 19/10/2010 05:38:02 AM 800 Views
Re: See, I liked Arkady Legolas - 18/10/2010 10:51:59 PM 762 Views
Re: Arkady Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:09:14 PM 796 Views
Oh...Rebekah, I was going to mention that I saw your post only much later because I was very drunk. Tom - 17/10/2010 05:13:41 PM 793 Views
Heh, no worries. Rebekah - 18/10/2010 11:07:00 AM 734 Views
Good book. nossy - 17/10/2010 06:37:16 PM 819 Views
Agreed. Camilla - 18/10/2010 11:55:11 AM 902 Views
Re: Agreed. nossy - 19/10/2010 06:02:18 AM 817 Views
Re: Agreed. Camilla - 19/10/2010 09:26:25 AM 725 Views
I didn't think Odintsova trapped him. Legolas - 18/10/2010 11:03:37 PM 785 Views
Re: I didn't think Odintsova trapped him. Camilla - 18/10/2010 11:31:40 PM 862 Views
Re: I didn't think Odintsova trapped him. nossy - 19/10/2010 05:13:26 AM 797 Views
I think you might be overanalyzing the birch tree statement. Tom - 18/10/2010 11:45:12 PM 770 Views
I disagree nossy - 19/10/2010 05:27:07 AM 821 Views
I loved it. Great book. Legolas - 18/10/2010 10:49:27 PM 745 Views
Re: I loved it. Great book. Camilla - 18/10/2010 11:33:42 PM 725 Views
I think it's very relevant. It's also unusually un-Russian. Tom - 18/10/2010 11:54:03 PM 713 Views
Yeah... the Russian nobility at the time seems to have been kind of un-Russian, really. Legolas - 20/10/2010 04:03:34 PM 795 Views
It felt very Russian to me as well Camilla - 20/10/2010 04:12:50 PM 718 Views
There was little of the usual ... histrionics that happen in Russian novels. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:02:12 PM 781 Views
Most of the histrionics are Dostoevsky manifestations. Tom - 22/10/2010 10:52:52 PM 817 Views
I really wish I'd bought a properly annotated version. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:07:16 PM 820 Views
The answer to that is to just read a great book on Nineteenth Century Russian history. Tom - 22/10/2010 10:55:06 PM 794 Views
Can you recommend one? Rebekah - 22/10/2010 10:55:56 PM 1073 Views
"One" is where it starts to get harder. Tom - 23/10/2010 01:45:03 AM 808 Views
Not just Russian, though, there's a lot of mentions of other European history. Legolas - 22/10/2010 11:19:28 PM 740 Views
Nikolai and Pavel - I love them. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:14:11 PM 902 Views
Perhaps it's Pavel's "The Chap"-ish nature that makes the novel seem less Russian to me. Tom - 22/10/2010 10:53:56 PM 866 Views
Ah, that's a good point. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 10:54:56 PM 730 Views
The women Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:18:45 PM 835 Views
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