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Re: See, I liked Arkady Camilla Send a noteboard - 18/10/2010 12:13:49 AM

And maybe my impression isn't accurate, but he fit into the slot between the Nikolay/Pavel and Bazarov characters. He helped break down what I initially hated about Bazarov, because we see his process of learning that he can't get to Bazarov's state. And he's still young, so his "spongeness" seems natural, rather than existing because simply he doesn't have a mind of his own.


True, he fills a valuable narrative slot, but I don't like him any more for that.


To be honest, I didn't get the sense at all that Katya was uninteresting. She was overshadowed by Anna, and Arkady got to "find" her, so to speak. Same way he learned not to take everything Bazarov said by rote. I do agree that Arkady was the thinking everyman, and I felt that that was what Turgenev thought a man should grow into.


I am intending to post something on Turgenev's women in this book, but for now let me say this: Katya follows the trend that "natural" women who stick to feelings rather than opinion and intellect are the more admirable mate. It bugs me. She has no personality of her own, apart from having hidden and being afraid of her more outspoken and organised sister (who has faults of her own, but still) -- Katya is a natural being who needs a man to find her, and I find I am getting slightly nauseated.
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