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Re: I didn't think Odintsova trapped him. Camilla Send a noteboard - 18/10/2010 11:31:40 PM
Odintsova also bothered me. I tend to want to give her the benefit of the doubt (seems she was preconditioned in her opinion of men, which makes sense, given her age/experience), but I dislike women who trap men. I think my benefit of the doubt is due to not being able to decide whether she knew what she actually felt. Maybe her own revelation was something like Bazarov's - she didn't see it coming, because she'd previously cared about nothing and "was going nowhere." She does later mention that talking/being with him is like walking the edge of a precipice, so maybe that comment is meant to be more about her having no idea how to deal with her own feelings than about Bazarov's personality.

I interpreted it as her being curious at what could be, but getting afraid and turning cold to hide her own feelings, not daring to surrender to them. After all, despite her age and presence as a mature, experienced woman, she's never been in love before - and perhaps her age and general mentality are exactly why she doesn't dare to anymore, now.

Like Camilla, I'm not sure what to make of her sudden supposed attraction to Arkady, though. It felt wrong to me, and kind of like a weak point in the novel - like it's just intended to force things to come to a head one way or the other between Arkady and Katya. Discounting that possibility and assuming it really does fit, I can only conclude it's an even subtler part of the tragedy of Odintsova's failure to give in to her feelings for Bazarov - it's cruel, certainly, but on some level it makes sense.

I liked the resolution, though I'm not glad B killed himself. I was not surprised, but it seemed a little too... easy. I was annoyed that because his stance came up against a wall, he decided to leave. Or, well, if it is correct that his end was his choice. Seemed so, to me. At any rate, jumping into the autopsy was a rash decision.

I don't think I'd call it suicide, either (as in, like Tom, unlike you and Camilla obviously), but he certainly didn't seem to mind it so much once it had happened.


Nice, we now have a 50/50 split down gender lines. Interesting, interesting.
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