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Re: hm. nossy Send a noteboard - 19/10/2010 05:38:02 AM
You are probably right. I may be worked up over nothing here. It is just that I started getting annoyed when seeing Kukshina, because as she is clearly an idiot, her positions are tainted, and one of those is on the potential of women. And then it just kept turning out that all the men were choosing the most natural women they could find, intelligence being somewhat too much -- except for Bazarov, which I suppose is a redeeming point (for both him and Turgenev's women).

Hm. I looked at Kukshina as a silly blip. Turgenev seemed to me to be poking fun at people like her and also Sitnikov, who wanted to be important but didn't quite get it. So he latched on to the "progressive woman," and drank champagne while hating the thing of the day. Which, while fun, is hardly what one should shoot for. And they certainly wouldn't have put up with each other if either knew better.:P
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