Yeah... the Russian nobility at the time seems to have been kind of un-Russian, really.
Legolas Send a noteboard - 20/10/2010 04:03:34 PM
It's often hard for me to put my finger on what makes it perhaps the least Russian of the books that I've read in Russian literature. It could be, perhaps, the fact that it talks about universal ideas in a very universal way, not making any case for Russian exceptionalism, so to speak. Tolstoy was big on Russian exceptionalism (particularly when talking about peasants), Dostoevsky thought that Russian faith was endowed with unique and world-saving properties, Pushkin poked fun at Russian quirks, Chekhov did the same, etc. Turgenev does none of that, at least not in a way that makes his novels seem Russian. They could just as easily have taken place in England, for example. I would say it was because they were written in France, but Gogol wrote Dead Souls primarily in Italy.
Or European nobility in general, I suppose. Those French and English-speaking characters appear in Tolstoy and other authors too, but it's true they're more dominant here. Might just be a coincidence that so many of the major characters are internationally oriented and the more Russian ones - like Bazarov's mother - have limited roles?
The book did seem Russian enough to me, but then I haven't read much to compare with, and I'm not used to things like their naming system, their measuring units, the reverence for Pushkin, and the like. And I don't know to what extent one might have found Anglophiles, Germanophiles, Francophiles *and* Slavophiles in the same country elsewhere in Europe - not in France or England, for sure, they were less influenced by foreigners there surely.
Russian Book Club: Fathers and Sons by Turgenev.
- 17/10/2010 01:39:16 AM
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Bazarov
- 17/10/2010 02:12:03 PM
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oh, and
- 17/10/2010 06:42:38 PM
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Re: oh, and
- 18/10/2010 12:09:10 AM
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Arkady
- 17/10/2010 02:15:54 PM
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Well, that makes sense
- 17/10/2010 05:12:09 PM
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Re: Well, that makes sense
- 18/10/2010 12:04:05 AM
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See, I liked Arkady
- 17/10/2010 06:08:57 PM
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Oh...Rebekah, I was going to mention that I saw your post only much later because I was very drunk.
- 17/10/2010 05:13:41 PM
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Good book.
- 17/10/2010 06:37:16 PM
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I loved it. Great book.
- 18/10/2010 10:49:27 PM
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I think it's very relevant. It's also unusually un-Russian.
- 18/10/2010 11:54:03 PM
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Yeah... the Russian nobility at the time seems to have been kind of un-Russian, really.
- 20/10/2010 04:03:34 PM
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It felt very Russian to me as well
- 20/10/2010 04:12:50 PM
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There was little of the usual ... histrionics that happen in Russian novels.
- 22/10/2010 07:02:12 PM
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I really wish I'd bought a properly annotated version.
- 22/10/2010 07:07:16 PM
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The answer to that is to just read a great book on Nineteenth Century Russian history.
- 22/10/2010 10:55:06 PM
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Not just Russian, though, there's a lot of mentions of other European history.
- 22/10/2010 11:19:28 PM
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Nikolai and Pavel - I love them.
- 22/10/2010 07:14:11 PM
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Perhaps it's Pavel's "The Chap"-ish nature that makes the novel seem less Russian to me.
- 22/10/2010 10:53:56 PM
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