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Yeah... the Russian nobility at the time seems to have been kind of un-Russian, really. Legolas Send a noteboard - 20/10/2010 04:03:34 PM
It's often hard for me to put my finger on what makes it perhaps the least Russian of the books that I've read in Russian literature. It could be, perhaps, the fact that it talks about universal ideas in a very universal way, not making any case for Russian exceptionalism, so to speak. Tolstoy was big on Russian exceptionalism (particularly when talking about peasants), Dostoevsky thought that Russian faith was endowed with unique and world-saving properties, Pushkin poked fun at Russian quirks, Chekhov did the same, etc. Turgenev does none of that, at least not in a way that makes his novels seem Russian. They could just as easily have taken place in England, for example. I would say it was because they were written in France, but Gogol wrote Dead Souls primarily in Italy.

Or European nobility in general, I suppose. Those French and English-speaking characters appear in Tolstoy and other authors too, but it's true they're more dominant here. Might just be a coincidence that so many of the major characters are internationally oriented and the more Russian ones - like Bazarov's mother - have limited roles?

The book did seem Russian enough to me, but then I haven't read much to compare with, and I'm not used to things like their naming system, their measuring units, the reverence for Pushkin, and the like. And I don't know to what extent one might have found Anglophiles, Germanophiles, Francophiles *and* Slavophiles in the same country elsewhere in Europe - not in France or England, for sure, they were less influenced by foreigners there surely.
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