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Re: Stuff. *spoilers for book 7* Camilla Send a noteboard - 04/11/2010 09:10:19 AM
Huh. Adding the "Re:" to your subject line made it too long and gave me a nasty red message. Woe. So I changed it to "stuff".


Yes, I did push the limit with that subject line.

Harry is back to his old self, assuming Malfoy's plan is not working based on his physical appearance.

Ah, well, he's been right about some things lately. It would be weird if that lasted too long.


True.

House elves show up again in Slughorn's casual reference that he has had them taste all the bottles.

Yes. That was highly disturbing. And completely seemed in Slughorn's nature.


Yes.

We learn of Horcruxes. And the number 7.

Which made me think that there are 7 years at Hogwarts and wizards and witches come of age at 17. Not that 17 has a lot to do with 7, but still.


Huh. I hadn't connected it to the number of years at Hogwarts. You are right, of course.

It is very interesting that Dumbledore would say that as far as he knew no wizard had ever done more than rip his soul in two. This seems a little strange. Surely Grindewald or someone like that has killed more than two people? Of course, it does suggest the strong taboo of killing in the wizarding world. Perhaps he was just referring to the amount of horcruxes made, even if that is not what his words say.

I thought he was referring to horcruxes, not killing...


His exact words are ``As far as I know -- as far, I am sure, as Voldemort knew -- no wizard had ever done more than tear his soul in two''.

I am a little fascinated by this (the pacifist in me, perhaps). What of the people killed in battle by the good guys? I cannot remember who kills who, but if Mrs Weasley kills Bellatrix, is her soul broken in two? Would she regret it enough to heal it again? Or when Harry kills Voldemort...

The impression I got was that while killing is indeed a supreme act of evil and doesn't do your soul any favors, it doesn't actually split unless you are intending to use the killing to make a Horcrux. I could be completely off on that, though.


Hmm, I am fairly sure you are. I cannot find it now, but I think Dumbledore tells us at some point that killing a person splits your soul, and the only way to make it whole again is to regret it, which is very painful.

Also, Slughorn says that ``Killing rips the soul apart. The wizard intent upon creating a Horcrux would use the damage to his advantage''.

Which makes me wonder, will some of Voldemort's soul pieces be bigger than the others? I mean, if he rips it once, 50% would be in the first Horcrux. If he rips it again, 25% would be in the next &c. Or is it silly of me to apply percentages to a soul?

At any rate, we can start ticking off horcruxes (although if Voldemort split his soul in seven, shouldn't there be six horcruxes to begin with, then five left after he has used one of them to gain a life? Or is it a way of keeping the embodied soul suspended, so that it does not disappear when the body is killed? -- I was always a little unclear on that): the diary. One down, six to go. The ring. Two down...

So there are now four. And Voldemort.

The locket

The cup

Nagini

and Rowena Ravenclaw's tiara, if I am right?

And Harry?

Which brings us to ... 8?

I have always had trouble with this part of the books. Counting is not my strong suit, and I have a strong impression that Dumbeldore's counting is off here too. How does Harry fit in? Is he really a horcrux?

I have always been confused about this as well. Perhaps someone can enlighten us.


Well, it fits the 7-thing, except rather than split it in 7 pieces, he is making 7 Horcruxes. I suppose that is where Dumbledore is wrong. And believing Dumbledore sent me off on the wrong counting trail, leaving me confused in book 7.

Anyway, the dicsussion in Dumbledore's office also clarifies why Draco is being punished. It is not just Lucius' failure, but his lack of care with the diary.

Indeed.

The discussion of prophecies is also interesting. If there are so many prophecies that do not come to pass, what is their importance? Are they the "most likely" scenario only? Are they triggered by being part of a series of events (Snape listening outside the door sets Trelawny off?) ... I am intrigued. At any rate, the power of choice is quite central again. While the presence of Prophecy had seemed to dampen it, that is here revoked.

We are also shown the hiding room version of the Room of Requirement, which will become important later. It is a little strange that he does not react to the Vanishing cabinet being there. After all, there is no reason why it should have to be hidden. Unless someone is up to no good. It is quite a well hidden clue, though. As is the tiara.

I don't know. I mean, he notices it there, but among all the other junk piled up, it's not too surprising that he doesn't place any particular importance to it.

And I really enjoy Harry defending the Prince against Hermione's suggestion that he might be bad. If only he knew he was so sure Snape was not a bad guy.

Hehe. I know. It's a good bit of writing.
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(minor book seven spoilers) - 19/10/2010 11:27:53 AM 1826 Views
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I rather enjoyed the new characters. - 22/10/2010 07:30:03 PM 1613 Views
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I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 22/10/2010 07:28:04 PM 1532 Views
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*lol* - 25/10/2010 06:39:19 PM 1666 Views
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Plotting and writing. - 25/10/2010 05:03:16 PM 1665 Views
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The smuggling and Trelawney's rambling. - 27/10/2010 12:05:48 AM 1647 Views
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Good analogy - 25/10/2010 05:52:38 PM 1500 Views
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But not at high school. - 25/10/2010 07:57:44 PM 1612 Views
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Speaking of Dumbledore and Parseltongue. - 28/10/2010 05:03:10 AM 1858 Views
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Girls. - 29/10/2010 05:54:25 PM 1612 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:26 PM 702 Views
plot and writing. - 27/10/2010 10:30:14 PM 1632 Views
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Harry comments on that when in Snape's memories in book five. - 28/10/2010 10:42:08 AM 1573 Views
I wonder if that's actually true, though. - 28/10/2010 10:39:20 AM 1760 Views
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It's more than that, though. - 28/10/2010 10:55:49 AM 1681 Views
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Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 08:51:58 PM 1764 Views
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Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 04/11/2010 04:03:02 AM 1592 Views
And - 04/11/2010 10:46:37 AM 1604 Views
Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 05:43:49 PM 1533 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 08:52:34 PM 1688 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:44:04 PM 768 Views
My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:28:43 PM 1610 Views
Re: My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:52:12 PM 1688 Views
Chapters 19-21: Elf Tails, Lord Voldemort's Requests, The Unknowable Room *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:22 PM 667 Views
Characters: The Trio, the elves, Draco, Dumbledore,... *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:56 PM 990 Views
the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 02:08:32 PM 1497 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:13 PM 770 Views
Dumbledore, little girls and the house-elf issue again. - 01/11/2010 02:09:35 PM 1818 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:27 PM 791 Views
Chapters 22-24: After the Burial, Horcruxes, Sectumsempra - 03/11/2010 09:50:17 PM 1898 Views
Characters. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:33 PM 912 Views
Malfoy, Ron & Hermione, Slughorn, Voldemort, Snape and Ginny. - 04/11/2010 12:12:57 AM 1658 Views
Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:02:04 PM 1679 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:50 PM 805 Views
Harry wrong again, house elves, horcruxes, free will, well hidden clues and some irony *DH spoiler* - 03/11/2010 10:35:20 PM 1623 Views
Re: Stuff. - 04/11/2010 04:28:04 AM 1677 Views
Re: Stuff. *spoilers for book 7* - 04/11/2010 09:10:19 AM 1694 Views
This "we'll see in book seven" thing is getting old, but still that's what I have to say here... - 04/11/2010 01:23:01 PM 1528 Views
Yes, I think you are right - 04/11/2010 01:24:41 PM 1688 Views
Well, I'm back. Some comments inside. *DH Spoilers* - 08/11/2010 02:28:11 PM 1665 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:51:04 PM 786 Views
Chapters 25-27: The Seer Overheard, The Cave, The Lightning-Struck Tower - 05/11/2010 05:37:42 PM 1519 Views
Plotting and writing. - 05/11/2010 05:39:27 PM 1353 Views
*spoilers for book 7* - 05/11/2010 07:55:07 PM 1565 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 05/11/2010 05:39:43 PM 812 Views
I like how good magic is not flashy. Also, a Tolkien thing - 05/11/2010 07:55:27 PM 1605 Views
I didn't take the comparison as far, but the gate thing did remind me of Moria, yes. (DH spoilers) - 05/11/2010 10:03:16 PM 1848 Views
yes - 05/11/2010 10:06:43 PM 1588 Views
Chapters 28-30: Flight of the Prince, The Phoenix Lament, The White Tomb. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:12 PM 912 Views
Characters. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:25 PM 749 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:40 PM 879 Views
Spoilers. - 09/11/2010 02:26:38 PM 1534 Views
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I'm assuming not even the Ministry knows 100% what she did. - 13/11/2010 12:26:14 AM 1686 Views
Very true. - 15/11/2010 01:48:36 PM 1680 Views
Not much, no, but there's one fairly crucial mention. - 15/11/2010 04:37:23 PM 1646 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 12:22:22 AM 1796 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 09:38:09 AM 1936 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:53 PM 759 Views
We did the Harry Potter marathon thing on Sunday - 09/11/2010 02:28:08 PM 1657 Views
I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:57:56 PM 1856 Views
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This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:34:33 PM 1683 Views
Re: This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:36:29 PM 1660 Views
Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:40:24 PM 1903 Views
Re: Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:43:45 PM 2135 Views
Agreed. - 09/11/2010 04:53:46 PM 1673 Views
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