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Well, I'm back. Some comments inside. *DH Spoilers* StormCrow Send a noteboard - 08/11/2010 02:28:11 PM
House elves show up again in Slughorn's casual reference that he has had them taste all the bottles.


I find myself in Hermoine's court on this one. How could he do this to the elves? Surely he could help them if they found poison, but it seems risky and unfair to the elves.

It is very interesting that Dumbledore would say that as far as he knew no wizard had ever done more than rip his soul in two. This seems a little strange. Surely Grindewald or someone like that has killed more than two people? Of course, it does suggest the strong taboo of killing in the wizarding world. Perhaps he was just referring to the amount of horcruxes made, even if that is not what his words say.


I think this is kind of a misleading statement by Dumbledore, but that he means he only knows of someone creating 1 horcrux (splitting their soul in two), outside of what they're finding out about Voldemort. Sure other wizards have killed loads of people, but not made horcruxes each time. Grindewald would be a good example of that, though I got the impression he made inferi do most of the dirty work.

His statement blurs the line between ripping a soul and creating a horcrux, to me. You can kill someone, rip your soul, and then it either heals or doesn't. Unless you set out meaning to create a horcrux when you commit the murder, you just have to face the remorse or personal justification for what you've done.

I am a little fascinated by this (the pacifist in me, perhaps). What of the people killed in battle by the good guys? I cannot remember who kills who, but if Mrs Weasley kills Bellatrix, is her soul broken in two? Would she regret it enough to heal it again? Or when Harry kills Voldemort...


Back to what I was saying above. I would think that the remorse for killing Bellatrix and Voldemort would be pretty easy for them to get over and their souls would mend fairly quickly from those kills, since they'd feel justified in making them. Harry has had quite a while to reconcile himself to killing Voldemort, after all.

At any rate, we can start ticking off horcruxes (although if Voldemort split his soul in seven, shouldn't there be six horcruxes to begin with, then five left after he has used one of them to gain a life? Or is it a way of keeping the embodied soul suspended, so that it does not disappear when the body is killed? -- I was always a little unclear on that): the diary. One down, six to go. The ring. Two down...

So there are now four. And Voldemort.

The locket

The cup

Nagini

and Rowena Ravenclaw's tiara, if I am right?

And Harry?

Which brings us to ... 8?

I have always had trouble with this part of the books. Counting is not my strong suit, and I have a strong impression that Dumbeldore's counting is off here too. How does Harry fit in? Is he really a horcrux?


I think you're right on your count, because you have to count Voldemort in his original body. My problem here is that they destroy something that he had already used, by this logic. I'm unclear too on if it would still useful to him in some way if he had already reclaimed the soul fragment from it.

I think Dumbledore had guessed that Harry was the final horcrux and likely assumed that Voldemort had used one to stay alive the first time around. His suspision that Voldemort is still around, from book 1, and his delving for memories involving him imply as much. So, he gave Harry this task knowing one could be a waste of time. Better safe than sorry in his mind.

Edit: I find myself remembering that Dumbledore mentions that the diary is almost treated as a throw away (1st attempt). Maybe he intended to use that as he did, in the school, and make a replacement with Harry? Just a thought.

Doesn't the squeeling baby thing in the train station chapter of DH confirm that Harry had indeed been a horcrux?

And I really enjoy Harry defending the Prince against Hermione's suggestion that he might be bad. If only he knew he was so sure Snape was not a bad guy.


I enjoyed the irony here. Doubly so, once he finds out who the Prince is. It's a good twist that he's been protecting him the whole book, only to find out that it's Snape he's been protecting.

Honestly though, some of those spells should have indicated that he was not a goody 2 shoes. Snape again blurring the lines and showing that a "good guy" does not necessarily have to be a "nice guy." Also, somewhat ironic from this is that Lupin knows the connection between these spells and Snape (from comments in DH about sectumsempra). Harry could have found out who the prince was by asking some of the people he knew and trusted that were at Hogwarts with him.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Six, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - 18/10/2010 06:12:40 PM 3051 Views
General comments on the book. - 18/10/2010 06:14:10 PM 1722 Views
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Me too - 01/11/2010 02:11:28 PM 1701 Views
Suggestions. - 18/10/2010 06:18:46 PM 1764 Views
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*cough* - 09/11/2010 09:24:21 AM 1639 Views
Oh yes. I'm being distracted by Towers of Midnight. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:11:22 PM 1040 Views
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Characters: The three Ministers, Snape, Narcissa, Bellatrix, Harry, Dumbledore, the Dursleys. - 18/10/2010 06:25:12 PM 1992 Views
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(minor book seven spoilers) - 19/10/2010 11:27:53 AM 1942 Views
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*spoilers for book 7* an assortment of characters - 19/10/2010 01:01:35 AM 1934 Views
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Dumbledore-centered. - 19/10/2010 01:03:05 AM 1859 Views
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Re: Dumbledore-centered. - 22/10/2010 07:33:34 PM 1818 Views
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Plotting and writing. - 20/10/2010 03:47:55 PM 1817 Views
*minor spoilers for book 7* - 20/10/2010 09:23:44 PM 1857 Views
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Neville. - 23/10/2010 05:30:39 PM 1758 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:37 PM 979 Views
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I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 22/10/2010 07:28:04 PM 1652 Views
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*lol* - 25/10/2010 06:39:19 PM 1789 Views
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Plotting and writing. - 25/10/2010 05:03:16 PM 1791 Views
Amazing amounts of accurate guesswork here, in hindsight. - 25/10/2010 05:37:28 PM 1828 Views
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The smuggling and Trelawney's rambling. - 27/10/2010 12:05:48 AM 1769 Views
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Dumbledore still sounds like Stephen Fry. And reflections on the nature of Potions class. - 25/10/2010 05:11:24 PM 1636 Views
It's like baking, I think. - 25/10/2010 05:32:42 PM 1764 Views
Good analogy - 25/10/2010 05:52:38 PM 1619 Views
Yes, exactly like baking - and advanced baking involves experimenting, substituting, improvising. - 25/10/2010 06:42:42 PM 1845 Views
But not at high school. - 25/10/2010 07:57:44 PM 1731 Views
Also - 04/11/2010 09:29:47 AM 1694 Views
Also, Parseltongue - is Harry that thick, or is it a magic thing? - 25/10/2010 05:18:41 PM 1745 Views
I think it's a magic thing. - 25/10/2010 05:34:09 PM 1741 Views
It can be learned actually. Dumbledore implies he knows it and Ron uses it in book 7 - 25/10/2010 05:55:28 PM 1700 Views
Huh. I completely missed that. Good thing we're doing a reread. - 25/10/2010 05:57:38 PM 1705 Views
Speaking of Dumbledore and Parseltongue. - 28/10/2010 05:03:10 AM 1984 Views
parseltongue - 25/10/2010 10:24:46 PM 1858 Views
Interesting how many of our remarks are along similar lines. *NM* - 25/10/2010 10:27:30 PM 866 Views
Indeed - 26/10/2010 09:20:43 AM 1745 Views
Chapters 13-15: The Secret Riddle, Felix Felicis, The Unbreakable Vow *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:16:28 PM 994 Views
Characters: The Trio, Ginny, Tom Riddle, Draco,... *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:12 PM 978 Views
Dumbledore, Voldemort, Ron & Hermione, Harry, Ginny, Luna - 27/10/2010 10:31:39 PM 1733 Views
My take on Ginny is rather different, I must say... at least this time around. - 29/10/2010 01:47:20 PM 1701 Views
Girls. - 29/10/2010 05:54:25 PM 1730 Views
Draco: Not as confident as he appears, surely. - 29/10/2010 02:02:01 PM 1886 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:26 PM 798 Views
plot and writing. - 27/10/2010 10:30:14 PM 1755 Views
Re: plot and writing. - 28/10/2010 05:07:03 AM 1913 Views
Draco can dissemble rather well, just like his parents. - 29/10/2010 02:08:35 PM 1766 Views
Re: Draco can dissemble rather well, just like his parents. - 29/10/2010 09:00:36 PM 1790 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:42 PM 826 Views
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Re: Anything else? - 28/10/2010 04:56:10 AM 1835 Views
Harry comments on that when in Snape's memories in book five. - 28/10/2010 10:42:08 AM 1695 Views
I wonder if that's actually true, though. - 28/10/2010 10:39:20 AM 1881 Views
Re: I wonder if that's actually true, though. - 28/10/2010 10:44:22 AM 1742 Views
It's more than that, though. - 28/10/2010 10:55:49 AM 1794 Views
Re: It's more than that, though. - 28/10/2010 11:48:19 AM 1644 Views
Chapters 16-18: A Very Frosty Christmas, A Sluggish Memory, Birthday Surprises *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:40:39 PM 968 Views
Characters: The Trio, Fleur, Scrimgeour, Percy, Remus, Slughorn,... *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:43:02 PM 1055 Views
Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 08:51:58 PM 1881 Views
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Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 11:51:06 PM 1723 Views
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Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 02/11/2010 07:20:26 PM 1465 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 04/11/2010 04:03:02 AM 1718 Views
And - 04/11/2010 10:46:37 AM 1718 Views
Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 05:43:49 PM 1650 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 08:52:34 PM 1802 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:44:04 PM 859 Views
My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:28:43 PM 1739 Views
Re: My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:52:12 PM 1806 Views
Chapters 19-21: Elf Tails, Lord Voldemort's Requests, The Unknowable Room *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:22 PM 755 Views
Characters: The Trio, the elves, Draco, Dumbledore,... *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:56 PM 1081 Views
the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 02:08:32 PM 1620 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:13 PM 860 Views
Dumbledore, little girls and the house-elf issue again. - 01/11/2010 02:09:35 PM 1936 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:27 PM 881 Views
Chapters 22-24: After the Burial, Horcruxes, Sectumsempra - 03/11/2010 09:50:17 PM 2022 Views
Characters. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:33 PM 1005 Views
Malfoy, Ron & Hermione, Slughorn, Voldemort, Snape and Ginny. - 04/11/2010 12:12:57 AM 1769 Views
Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:02:04 PM 1796 Views
Re: Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:16:17 PM 1829 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:50 PM 900 Views
Harry wrong again, house elves, horcruxes, free will, well hidden clues and some irony *DH spoiler* - 03/11/2010 10:35:20 PM 1740 Views
Re: Stuff. - 04/11/2010 04:28:04 AM 1806 Views
Re: Stuff. *spoilers for book 7* - 04/11/2010 09:10:19 AM 1827 Views
This "we'll see in book seven" thing is getting old, but still that's what I have to say here... - 04/11/2010 01:23:01 PM 1646 Views
Yes, I think you are right - 04/11/2010 01:24:41 PM 1804 Views
Well, I'm back. Some comments inside. *DH Spoilers* - 08/11/2010 02:28:11 PM 1780 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:51:04 PM 882 Views
Chapters 25-27: The Seer Overheard, The Cave, The Lightning-Struck Tower - 05/11/2010 05:37:42 PM 1633 Views
Plotting and writing. - 05/11/2010 05:39:27 PM 1482 Views
*spoilers for book 7* - 05/11/2010 07:55:07 PM 1682 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 05/11/2010 05:39:43 PM 902 Views
I like how good magic is not flashy. Also, a Tolkien thing - 05/11/2010 07:55:27 PM 1723 Views
I didn't take the comparison as far, but the gate thing did remind me of Moria, yes. (DH spoilers) - 05/11/2010 10:03:16 PM 1973 Views
yes - 05/11/2010 10:06:43 PM 1708 Views
Chapters 28-30: Flight of the Prince, The Phoenix Lament, The White Tomb. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:12 PM 1012 Views
Characters. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:25 PM 840 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:40 PM 972 Views
Spoilers. - 09/11/2010 02:26:38 PM 1650 Views
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I'm assuming not even the Ministry knows 100% what she did. - 13/11/2010 12:26:14 AM 1806 Views
Very true. - 15/11/2010 01:48:36 PM 1801 Views
Not much, no, but there's one fairly crucial mention. - 15/11/2010 04:37:23 PM 1766 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 12:22:22 AM 1917 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 09:38:09 AM 2058 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:53 PM 851 Views
We did the Harry Potter marathon thing on Sunday - 09/11/2010 02:28:08 PM 1767 Views
I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:57:56 PM 2007 Views
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This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:34:33 PM 1810 Views
Re: This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:36:29 PM 1787 Views
Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:40:24 PM 2026 Views
Re: Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:43:45 PM 2259 Views
Agreed. - 09/11/2010 04:53:46 PM 1791 Views
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