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Yes, I really didn't remember that... (book seven spoilers) Legolas Send a noteboard - 13/11/2010 12:03:16 AM
Snape: The scene where Harry catches up with him is again delightful. He keeps him from using an unforgivable curse (an not for Snape's own sake alone, I think). And it is only when Harry calls him a coward that he reacts with anger (and, considering what he has just been through, you cannot really blame him at that point). And it is when that is repeated (mixed with the attribution of blame for the death of Lily (Harry refers to his father, but that entails the other), which probably makes it worse) that he really loses it. He intervenes to stop Harry being tortured, and he keeps instructing him all the way. How anyone could actually believe Snape was a bad guy is beyond me.

The part with Snape stopping Harry from being tortured, that is. The excuses he gives for that - and for running away immediately - aren't very convincing, considering the Ministry doesn't seem to find out until a good while later when Slughorn tells them. Good thing those other Death Eaters aren't the brightest cookies in the box and don't notice that Snape is doing what he can to protect Harry and the students of Hogwarts.

I also hadn't realized that Snape is blocking Harry's non-verbal spells by using his Legilimency skills.

Lupin evidently knew nothing about Lily's connection to Snape. Makes one wonder if James knew... well, after they got together, that is, he almost certainly didn't before.

It is one of Rowling's best scenes emotionally. Makes me all the more annoyed they butchered it beyond recognition in the movie. It was the defining moment for Snape, essential for the depth of his character, and they just had Rickman do the normal sneering Snape. I really, really wonder why. Was it just because they figure the audience (those who haven't read the books, anyway) consists of idiots?
Lupin: the description of his reaction to the news of Dumbledore's death is surprisingly effective. The exclamation, disbelief, the utter grief. I believe it. It is not fancy, a masterpiece of prose. But it is again that snapshot quality. The description of actions, then Harry's gloss. Lupin is the one who has continually relied on Dumbledore the most, I think. I mean, they all do, but there is something extra there. Dumbledore is the one who takes him in and allows him to form part of wizarding society in a way he would not otherwise have been able to do. It is he who provides him with the opportunity to have friends. He is the one who gives him a job, and it is to avoid giving him trouble that Lupin leaves. There is a very strong connection there, and I cannot help thinking that the idea of Dumbledore is what makes it possible for Lupin to go under cover. And then this.

Yes, makes sense. Same with Hagrid to some extent, though of course Hagrid is more emotional in general.
And, all right, so the scene with Tonks is fine. That does not mean I am convinced.

You should be. :P They're a perfectly credible couple.
The Order: their shock at Snape's apparent treachery is of course understandable, and McGonagall's almost fainting made it very apparent. But I am a little surprised that they are all so ready to stop trusting Dumbledore's judgement now he is dead. Yesyes, being killed by Snape does look very bad, but still. Then again, if any of them had as much as uttered any suggestion that there might be another explanation, I suspect Harry would have gone mental.

It is kind of sad that the Order so blindly relies on Dumbledore, accepting Snape because of him and then not doing it anymore once Dumbledore is dead. Of course, that all works out, but it's kind of unusual to have "the good side" function in such a hierarchical way with nearly everyone cut out of the loop, and following their lone leader. And then of course Harry continues that, he confides in the rest of the Trio, but not the Order. For all that he does love and trust many people, in the end his modus operandi is not so different from Voldemort's, confiding in very few people and thus risking that it'll all come falling down if he should die or be captured. That has to make things extremely frustrating for everybody else in Britain who wants to oppose Voldemort, particularly after the Ministry takeover.
Mrs Weasley and Fleur: one of Fleur's finest moments, I think. And it re-establishes her character, taking us back to who she was in the fourth book (at least in my mind) -- seeing her through the distorting lens of Harry via the Weasley women has suspended the strong part of her character, but here it is back. "I am beautiful enough for the both of us" is an excellent line.

It's a bit of a silly scene, because the whole prejudice against her was a bit silly from the start. The reader never thought that Fleur was a shallow bitch - or at least not anymore after getting to know her in book four - so it's not exactly a shock or noteworthy that she reacts like that. But good that the Weasley (+ Granger) women finally come to their senses, I suppose.
Scrimgeour: not his best move talking to Harry at the funeral. He isn't quite a diplomat.

Does he or his Ministry actually do anything useful during the entirety of his term in office? I'm having a hard time thinking of anything. Rather pathetic. But then of course we couldn't have that, the hero has to get the credit for defeating the villain. And since the story is set in a modern universe, that has to mean either the hero is part of the government/armed forces/secret service/whatever, or the government/etc. is completely incompetent. I don't suppose Rowling had much of a choice.
Ginny: I am suprised at how accepting she is. His point is a good one, of course, but still.

Yeah, generally the whole noble thing is a bit silly and women rightly quash it, but here he does have a point. I'm not sure breaking up makes much sense, but temporarily severing contact does, so I guess it amounts to the same thing either way.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Six, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - 18/10/2010 06:12:40 PM 3207 Views
General comments on the book. - 18/10/2010 06:14:10 PM 1864 Views
I am enjoying this a lot more than I thought I would. - 22/10/2010 07:25:17 PM 2012 Views
Yes, I'm loving that I can read in English again. - 22/10/2010 10:10:32 PM 2086 Views
Me too - 01/11/2010 02:11:28 PM 1842 Views
Suggestions. - 18/10/2010 06:18:46 PM 1920 Views
Re: Suggestions. - 20/10/2010 03:20:18 PM 2054 Views
*cough* - 09/11/2010 09:24:21 AM 1787 Views
Oh yes. I'm being distracted by Towers of Midnight. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:11:22 PM 1108 Views
Shocking. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:43 PM 1051 Views
Are we having a break right now? - 12/11/2010 06:48:10 PM 1938 Views
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Chapters 1-3: The Other Minister, Spinner's End, Will and Won't. - 18/10/2010 06:21:55 PM 2122 Views
Characters: The three Ministers, Snape, Narcissa, Bellatrix, Harry, Dumbledore, the Dursleys. - 18/10/2010 06:25:12 PM 2126 Views
Re: Characters: The three Ministers, Snape, Narcissa, Bellatrix, Harry, Dumbledore, the Dursleys. - 18/10/2010 06:55:06 PM 2148 Views
(minor book seven spoilers) - 19/10/2010 11:27:53 AM 2094 Views
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*spoilers for book 7* an assortment of characters - 19/10/2010 01:01:35 AM 2100 Views
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Re: *spoilers for book 7* an assortment of characters - 19/10/2010 11:48:45 AM 2178 Views
I rather enjoyed the new characters. - 22/10/2010 07:30:03 PM 1875 Views
Re: I rather enjoyed the new characters. - 22/10/2010 08:33:44 PM 2005 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 18/10/2010 06:28:16 PM 973 Views
Dumbledore-centered. - 19/10/2010 01:03:05 AM 2009 Views
Re: Dumbledore-centered. - 22/10/2010 07:31:56 PM 1975 Views
Re: Dumbledore-centered. - 22/10/2010 07:33:34 PM 1954 Views
Chapters 4-6: Horace Slughorn, An Excess of Phlegm, Draco's Detour. *NM* - 20/10/2010 03:44:39 PM 1111 Views
Characters: Slughorn, Fleur, the Trio, Draco and Narcissa Malfoy,... - 20/10/2010 03:46:47 PM 2053 Views
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(Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 09:25:20 PM 2121 Views
Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 09:46:08 PM 2005 Views
Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 11:20:28 PM 1889 Views
Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 21/10/2010 12:04:23 AM 1643 Views
Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 10:20:28 PM 2013 Views
Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 11:23:38 PM 1886 Views
Re: Characters: Slughorn, Fleur, the Trio, Draco and Narcissa Malfoy,... - 20/10/2010 10:15:58 PM 2033 Views
On Ron's reaction to Fleur... - 20/10/2010 11:30:48 PM 1968 Views
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Fleur - 23/10/2010 05:11:08 PM 1833 Views
Dumbledore, Slughorn, Tonks, Mr & Mrs Weasley, Hermione, Narcissa and the twins. - 20/10/2010 09:23:04 PM 1909 Views
Characters. - 25/10/2010 03:10:35 AM 1830 Views
Plotting and writing. - 20/10/2010 03:47:55 PM 1935 Views
*minor spoilers for book 7* - 20/10/2010 09:23:44 PM 1981 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 20/10/2010 03:48:07 PM 966 Views
Dumbledore's Stephen Fry moment... or maybe that's just me. - 22/10/2010 07:35:59 PM 1784 Views
It's not just you - 22/10/2010 08:34:25 PM 1780 Views
Chapters 7-9: Slug Club, Snape Victorious, The Half-Blood Prince *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:03 PM 1124 Views
Characters *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:24 PM 1060 Views
Harry, Romilda, Malfoy (in luuuve), Snape, Lavender Brown, McGonagall, Hermione and Slughorn. - 22/10/2010 07:26:19 PM 2037 Views
Thoughts about your thoughts. - 23/10/2010 05:28:10 PM 1815 Views
Re: Thoughts about your thoughts. - 24/10/2010 09:18:37 AM 1812 Views
More characters. - 25/10/2010 03:21:33 AM 1825 Views
Re: More characters. - 25/10/2010 10:27:33 AM 1845 Views
Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 07:54:35 PM 1985 Views
Re: Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 09:04:24 PM 1921 Views
Re: Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 09:54:46 PM 1845 Views
Slytherin had been in need of new blood for a long time. (And assorted other comments.) - 22/10/2010 10:34:49 PM 2000 Views
Neville. - 23/10/2010 05:30:39 PM 1915 Views
Re: Neville. - 08/11/2010 02:35:57 PM 1995 Views
NEWT Potions - 24/10/2010 03:24:42 AM 1987 Views
Re: Characters - 24/10/2010 03:41:30 AM 2031 Views
Re: Characters - 25/10/2010 10:44:00 AM 1866 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:37 PM 1056 Views
Dumbledore, patronuses and the DADA job. - 22/10/2010 07:27:23 PM 1943 Views
Malfoy and the DADA job. - 22/10/2010 10:51:03 PM 1852 Views
Re: Malfoy and the DADA job. - 25/10/2010 11:31:57 AM 1888 Views
Re: Dumbledore, patronuses and the DADA job. - 23/10/2010 05:32:27 PM 1830 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:50 PM 1071 Views
I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 22/10/2010 07:28:04 PM 1803 Views
Re: I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 23/10/2010 05:33:27 PM 1923 Views
Re: I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 25/10/2010 03:06:43 AM 1882 Views
Chapters 10-12: The House of Gaunt, Hermione's Helping Hand, Silver and Opals. *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:00:02 PM 1125 Views
Characters: The Gaunts, the Trio, Hagrid, and many more. *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:02:07 PM 1075 Views
Harry's continued insistence about Malfoy really irritates me (even though he's right). - 25/10/2010 06:15:23 PM 2099 Views
*lol* - 25/10/2010 06:39:19 PM 1921 Views
I don't hide from my faults. - 25/10/2010 08:01:39 PM 1764 Views
Re: I don't hide from my faults. - 28/10/2010 04:59:54 AM 1932 Views
Re: *lol* - 26/10/2010 09:50:09 AM 1905 Views
~geeky moment~ - 26/10/2010 03:14:52 PM 1823 Views
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Trelawny, Ogden, Gaunt, Ron, Hermione, Ron and Harry - 25/10/2010 10:23:55 PM 1839 Views
Re: Trelawny, Ogden, Gaunt, Ron, Hermione, Ron and Harry - 26/10/2010 11:56:59 PM 1974 Views
Re: Trelawny, Ogden, Gaunt, Ron, Hermione, Ron and Harry - 27/10/2010 08:14:42 AM 1954 Views
Plotting and writing. - 25/10/2010 05:03:16 PM 1932 Views
Amazing amounts of accurate guesswork here, in hindsight. - 25/10/2010 05:37:28 PM 1966 Views
Re: Amazing amounts of accurate guesswork here, in hindsight. - 26/10/2010 09:46:47 AM 1852 Views
The smuggling and Trelawney's rambling. - 27/10/2010 12:05:48 AM 1911 Views
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Things - 25/10/2010 10:24:19 PM 1994 Views
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Anything else? *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:03:32 PM 886 Views
Dumbledore still sounds like Stephen Fry. And reflections on the nature of Potions class. - 25/10/2010 05:11:24 PM 1806 Views
It's like baking, I think. - 25/10/2010 05:32:42 PM 1895 Views
Good analogy - 25/10/2010 05:52:38 PM 1769 Views
Yes, exactly like baking - and advanced baking involves experimenting, substituting, improvising. - 25/10/2010 06:42:42 PM 1999 Views
But not at high school. - 25/10/2010 07:57:44 PM 1882 Views
Also - 04/11/2010 09:29:47 AM 1856 Views
Also, Parseltongue - is Harry that thick, or is it a magic thing? - 25/10/2010 05:18:41 PM 1876 Views
I think it's a magic thing. - 25/10/2010 05:34:09 PM 1868 Views
It can be learned actually. Dumbledore implies he knows it and Ron uses it in book 7 - 25/10/2010 05:55:28 PM 1865 Views
Huh. I completely missed that. Good thing we're doing a reread. - 25/10/2010 05:57:38 PM 1881 Views
Speaking of Dumbledore and Parseltongue. - 28/10/2010 05:03:10 AM 2129 Views
parseltongue - 25/10/2010 10:24:46 PM 2004 Views
Interesting how many of our remarks are along similar lines. *NM* - 25/10/2010 10:27:30 PM 941 Views
Indeed - 26/10/2010 09:20:43 AM 1882 Views
Chapters 13-15: The Secret Riddle, Felix Felicis, The Unbreakable Vow *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:16:28 PM 1061 Views
Characters: The Trio, Ginny, Tom Riddle, Draco,... *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:12 PM 1049 Views
Dumbledore, Voldemort, Ron & Hermione, Harry, Ginny, Luna - 27/10/2010 10:31:39 PM 1918 Views
My take on Ginny is rather different, I must say... at least this time around. - 29/10/2010 01:47:20 PM 1835 Views
Girls. - 29/10/2010 05:54:25 PM 1898 Views
Draco: Not as confident as he appears, surely. - 29/10/2010 02:02:01 PM 2027 Views
Re: Draco: Not as confident as he appears, surely. - 29/10/2010 09:01:56 PM 2016 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:26 PM 851 Views
plot and writing. - 27/10/2010 10:30:14 PM 1910 Views
Re: plot and writing. - 28/10/2010 05:07:03 AM 2040 Views
Draco can dissemble rather well, just like his parents. - 29/10/2010 02:08:35 PM 1912 Views
Re: Draco can dissemble rather well, just like his parents. - 29/10/2010 09:00:36 PM 1931 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:42 PM 909 Views
Re: Anything else? - 27/10/2010 10:30:55 PM 2043 Views
Re: Anything else? - 28/10/2010 04:56:10 AM 1967 Views
Harry comments on that when in Snape's memories in book five. - 28/10/2010 10:42:08 AM 1829 Views
I wonder if that's actually true, though. - 28/10/2010 10:39:20 AM 2073 Views
Re: I wonder if that's actually true, though. - 28/10/2010 10:44:22 AM 1900 Views
It's more than that, though. - 28/10/2010 10:55:49 AM 1954 Views
Re: It's more than that, though. - 28/10/2010 11:48:19 AM 1782 Views
Chapters 16-18: A Very Frosty Christmas, A Sluggish Memory, Birthday Surprises *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:40:39 PM 1062 Views
Characters: The Trio, Fleur, Scrimgeour, Percy, Remus, Slughorn,... *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:43:02 PM 1126 Views
Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 08:51:58 PM 2042 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 11:24:02 PM 1858 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 11:51:06 PM 1873 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 31/10/2010 09:14:46 PM 2094 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 31/10/2010 09:07:19 PM 1978 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 02/11/2010 06:23:04 PM 1923 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 02/11/2010 07:20:26 PM 1597 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 04/11/2010 04:03:02 AM 1861 Views
And - 04/11/2010 10:46:37 AM 1892 Views
Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 05:43:49 PM 1829 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 08:52:34 PM 1952 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:44:04 PM 938 Views
My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:28:43 PM 1879 Views
Re: My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:52:12 PM 1938 Views
Chapters 19-21: Elf Tails, Lord Voldemort's Requests, The Unknowable Room *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:22 PM 831 Views
Characters: The Trio, the elves, Draco, Dumbledore,... *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:56 PM 1179 Views
the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 02:08:32 PM 1759 Views
Re: the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 05:10:11 PM 1999 Views
Re: the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 05:16:30 PM 2079 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:13 PM 936 Views
Dumbledore, little girls and the house-elf issue again. - 01/11/2010 02:09:35 PM 2110 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:27 PM 946 Views
Chapters 22-24: After the Burial, Horcruxes, Sectumsempra - 03/11/2010 09:50:17 PM 2153 Views
Characters. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:33 PM 1088 Views
Malfoy, Ron & Hermione, Slughorn, Voldemort, Snape and Ginny. - 04/11/2010 12:12:57 AM 1929 Views
Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:02:04 PM 1963 Views
Re: Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:16:17 PM 1990 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:50 PM 962 Views
Harry wrong again, house elves, horcruxes, free will, well hidden clues and some irony *DH spoiler* - 03/11/2010 10:35:20 PM 1893 Views
Re: Stuff. - 04/11/2010 04:28:04 AM 1931 Views
Re: Stuff. *spoilers for book 7* - 04/11/2010 09:10:19 AM 1991 Views
This "we'll see in book seven" thing is getting old, but still that's what I have to say here... - 04/11/2010 01:23:01 PM 1779 Views
Yes, I think you are right - 04/11/2010 01:24:41 PM 1949 Views
Well, I'm back. Some comments inside. *DH Spoilers* - 08/11/2010 02:28:11 PM 1959 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:51:04 PM 956 Views
Chapters 25-27: The Seer Overheard, The Cave, The Lightning-Struck Tower - 05/11/2010 05:37:42 PM 1773 Views
Plotting and writing. - 05/11/2010 05:39:27 PM 1614 Views
*spoilers for book 7* - 05/11/2010 07:55:07 PM 1820 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 05/11/2010 05:39:43 PM 968 Views
I like how good magic is not flashy. Also, a Tolkien thing - 05/11/2010 07:55:27 PM 1875 Views
I didn't take the comparison as far, but the gate thing did remind me of Moria, yes. (DH spoilers) - 05/11/2010 10:03:16 PM 2122 Views
yes - 05/11/2010 10:06:43 PM 1842 Views
Chapters 28-30: Flight of the Prince, The Phoenix Lament, The White Tomb. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:12 PM 1086 Views
Characters. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:25 PM 907 Views
Snape, Lupin, Hermione & Ron, the Order, Mrs Weasley & Fleur, Luna & Neville, Scrimgeour, Ginny *DH* - 09/11/2010 02:20:01 PM 1824 Views
Yes, I really didn't remember that... (book seven spoilers) - 13/11/2010 12:03:16 AM 2043 Views
Re: Yes, I really didn't remember that... (book seven spoilers) - 13/11/2010 09:35:04 AM 1987 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:40 PM 1035 Views
Spoilers. - 09/11/2010 02:26:38 PM 1795 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 09/11/2010 04:49:06 PM 1862 Views
I'm assuming not even the Ministry knows 100% what she did. - 13/11/2010 12:26:14 AM 1966 Views
Very true. - 15/11/2010 01:48:36 PM 1950 Views
Not much, no, but there's one fairly crucial mention. - 15/11/2010 04:37:23 PM 1909 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 12:22:22 AM 2075 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 09:38:09 AM 2213 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:53 PM 938 Views
We did the Harry Potter marathon thing on Sunday - 09/11/2010 02:28:08 PM 1930 Views
I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:57:56 PM 2155 Views
Re: I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:58:56 PM 1823 Views
This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:34:33 PM 1970 Views
Re: This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:36:29 PM 1919 Views
Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:40:24 PM 2151 Views
Re: Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:43:45 PM 2413 Views
Agreed. - 09/11/2010 04:53:46 PM 1943 Views
Re: Agreed. - 09/11/2010 04:58:59 PM 2041 Views

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