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I'm sitting here trying to think if I've read any books like that... Brian Send a noteboard - 21/09/2009 01:40:08 AM
Being the pedantic person I am, I'd argue that there is no more suspense in such a situation than there would otherwise be, though when the bigger army wins there would be a surprise.

However, even if the bigger army were to win, it would have to lead to some other event happening that would make the victory hollow (like in Sanderson's Mistborn, where the rebel army is crushed but it leads to other events). After all, if the big army wins, and wins totally, with no other event to mitigate the victory, there's no more story - it's just a static situation.


The good guy's army is outnumbered, gets crushed by the bad guys army, and that's it. Game over, good guys lose. I can think of lots of books where the good guys don't win win, but off the top of my head I am having trouble thinking of any where they outright lose.

I suppose you have some of the heroic tragedy type books where they lose...but even in those there is usually something redeeming. I kinda want to read one where it's just a total crushing loss. Nothing heroic, no redeeming factors, just a terrible loss and that's the end of it. Not because I think I'd necessarily like it, more to see how much I would hate it (although I'm sure if it was done right I could like it).
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Ever notice how in fantasy books the smaller army always wins? Murtach74 - 20/09/2009 01:01:18 PM 1396 Views
Re: Ever notice how in fantasy books the smaller army always wins? Dunja - 20/09/2009 01:17:00 PM 1010 Views
Well, usually the bigger army are the invaders. Defence tends to have an edge AgentOrange - 20/09/2009 04:38:45 PM 1041 Views
It's an essential plot device Tom - 20/09/2009 04:41:04 PM 1041 Views
Yeah but... Murtach74 - 20/09/2009 07:38:36 PM 1016 Views
I don't quite agree Tom - 21/09/2009 01:22:45 AM 971 Views
I'm sitting here trying to think if I've read any books like that... Brian - 21/09/2009 01:40:08 AM 909 Views
Fail. Seriana Sedai - 21/09/2009 04:43:24 AM 1096 Views
Agreed. Tom - 21/09/2009 04:59:39 AM 1004 Views
Well there are plenty of authors not in their right minds Brian - 21/09/2009 05:49:22 PM 932 Views
True. Seriana Sedai - 21/09/2009 06:50:43 PM 987 Views
Hrmm...guess Miéville failed to follow the script then *NM* Larry - 20/09/2009 07:48:29 PM 370 Views
and a lot of others. But there's a rumour somewhere that it's not the size that matters... *NM* jh - 20/09/2009 07:53:41 PM 371 Views
It's still a valid point, even if one author doesn't "follow the script." *NM* Joker - 25/09/2009 12:34:48 AM 424 Views
Re: Ever notice how in fantasy books the smaller army always wins? Handel - 20/09/2009 08:45:48 PM 1153 Views
That, and... Napoleon62 - 20/09/2009 09:08:48 PM 1015 Views
Nineteen Eighty-Four, baby! Ghavrel - 20/09/2009 10:37:05 PM 949 Views
That is not even fantasy... Napoleon62 - 21/09/2009 12:00:48 AM 939 Views
IT ISN'T?! *NM* Ghavrel - 21/09/2009 01:42:16 AM 396 Views
Yeah, didn't your dad tell you about the double ungood days of the 80s? *NM* IndigoAjah - 21/09/2009 01:52:46 AM 390 Views
Doubleplusungood. Ghavrel - 25/09/2009 02:09:27 AM 937 Views
Oops, sorry. Probably a thoughtcrime to put a space in. Rebellious waste of... pixels? Space? *NM* IndigoAjah - 25/09/2009 04:26:14 PM 415 Views
I agree. 1984 is not SF-F. *NM* Joker - 25/09/2009 12:36:46 AM 399 Views
Who knew? ¯\(°O)/¯ *NM* Ghavrel - 25/09/2009 02:07:19 AM 388 Views
I... don't know what those symbols mean. *NM* Joker - 26/09/2009 07:04:13 AM 415 Views
All books should have a point, IMO. Otherwise, what's the point in reading them. IndigoAjah - 25/09/2009 04:32:43 PM 1028 Views
Nineteen Eighty-Four is unquestionably Science Fiction. *NM* Ghavrel - 26/09/2009 04:12:47 AM 444 Views
No, it's not. ScyFy does not lay claim to anything and everything that takes place... Joker - 26/09/2009 07:05:59 AM 935 Views
It's a novel which heavily relies upon futuristic technology. How is it not Science Fiction? *NM* Ghavrel - 28/09/2009 01:43:23 AM 391 Views
Because it doesn't have lasers or time-travel in it IndigoAjah - 28/09/2009 02:15:18 AM 926 Views
I read it years ago and I don't remember any futuristic technology except... Joker - 28/09/2009 04:16:21 AM 1018 Views
I would say that if a story uses that sort of thing, it has a science fiction element. Ghavrel - 28/09/2009 05:20:39 AM 803 Views
Wheel of Time? Werthead - 20/09/2009 11:52:36 PM 930 Views
I have not found that to be always true IndigoAjah - 21/09/2009 12:52:00 AM 895 Views
The smaller army doesn't always win Tashmere - 21/09/2009 02:47:07 AM 921 Views
Because you don't have to root for the huge army that's supposed to win. Seriana Sedai - 21/09/2009 04:38:22 AM 976 Views
everybody loves an under dog *NM* random thoughts - 21/09/2009 03:51:12 PM 399 Views
Pratchett makes much of this. *NM* Camilla - 21/09/2009 04:11:04 PM 416 Views
"You can take our lives, but you can never take our freedom!" "...wrong!" *NM* Ghavrel - 21/09/2009 11:02:25 PM 353 Views
Exactly what I was going to say Floffe - 27/09/2009 02:55:02 PM 1116 Views
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