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I think that's a fair point. Legolas Send a noteboard - 24/05/2011 07:00:04 PM

Now look at the black characters. They are shown to be uniformly respectful, good-natured and innocent. The oppression that they faced may have played a role in making Southern black society more polite, but I suspect that Lee is also unwittingly falling into the "noble savage" motif. The blacks in the book are victims, but they are also stereotyped and consciously set aside as being different.

I've always thought it to be a shame that Calpurnia does not get more attention than she does, because she seems to be the only black character in the book who does not fit your description.

While Lee may have also written the characters this way to make a point, the end result is that the book's statement against racism is weakened for it. It would have been a far more powerful book if Atticus had defended a guilty black man at some point as well, and had to explain to Scout that people of any color can be good or bad.

I don't know about that - a stronger book as far as decrying racism goes perhaps, or at least a more nuanced one, but it might've convoluted things enough to make the result less memorable, and the book less successful.

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To Kill a Mockingbird by Nelle Harper Lee Camilla - 22/05/2011 06:28:11 PM 19985 Views

I reviewed it last year Larry - 22/05/2011 07:45:48 PM 2452 Views

Huh. I seem to have missed that. Camilla - 22/05/2011 11:17:11 PM 2363 Views

As you noted, though, it's a fuller depiction of the South than "racist people." Ghavrel - 23/05/2011 12:00:01 AM 2360 Views

It's a beautiful, incredible book. Rebekah - 22/05/2011 08:21:48 PM 2284 Views

Re: It's a beautiful, incredible book. Camilla - 22/05/2011 11:18:32 PM 2211 Views

Also Camilla - 22/05/2011 11:33:27 PM 2240 Views

Don't you think that, you know, too many people have read it already? Legolas - 23/05/2011 09:55:52 PM 2297 Views

Re: Don't you think that, you know, too many people have read it already? Camilla - 24/05/2011 12:05:11 AM 2416 Views

Does that disqualify it? Sareitha Sedai - 24/05/2011 01:49:54 PM 2228 Views

I don't know, if a lot of people want to have this book in a Book Club, I have no objections. Legolas - 24/05/2011 07:01:38 PM 2293 Views

Well, that's true. Sareitha Sedai - 25/05/2011 01:20:54 PM 2375 Views

Loved that book. Tashmere - 22/05/2011 09:07:16 PM 2257 Views

Re: Loved that book. Camilla - 22/05/2011 11:19:29 PM 2257 Views

A great book Beqi - 22/05/2011 09:13:12 PM 2296 Views

Re: A great book Camilla - 22/05/2011 11:20:02 PM 2296 Views

“Miss Jean Louise, stand up. Your father’s passin’.” *NM* Ghavrel - 23/05/2011 12:03:34 AM 1137 Views

Indeed. *NM* Camilla - 23/05/2011 09:37:38 AM 1156 Views

Bah. This seems like a lame book. It will never catch on. Cannoli - 23/05/2011 01:31:10 AM 2411 Views

LOL *NM* Rebekah - 23/05/2011 08:36:55 AM 1146 Views

Hehehe. *NM* Camilla - 23/05/2011 09:38:03 AM 1194 Views

Um, there's already a rfilm version of this. Panorphaeon - 23/05/2011 01:11:36 PM 2126 Views

Suspect he knows that.

*NM* Rebekah - 23/05/2011 01:15:46 PM 1149 Views

Boy, that sarcastic subtext can be so hard to grasp in this virtual madness. *NM* Panorphaeon - 25/05/2011 06:49:03 AM 1175 Views

I don't think I've ever met anyone who doesn't like this book. *NM* Darth_Katie - 23/05/2011 09:37:52 AM 1155 Views

So it survives being taught in school? Camilla - 23/05/2011 09:39:18 AM 2246 Views

Yup. *NM* Darth_Katie - 23/05/2011 02:47:17 PM 1154 Views

I've met some, but it was a casualty of middle school English. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/05/2011 07:40:27 PM 1106 Views

One of my nieces didn't like it. I think it was because she was forced to read it for school. Tashmere - 24/05/2011 02:33:23 AM 2474 Views

Re: One of my nieces didn't like it. I think it was because she was forced to read it for school. Camilla - 24/05/2011 10:15:45 AM 2439 Views

I will try to keep an eye out for it. Thanks.

*NM* Tashmere - 11/06/2011 08:27:23 PM 1155 Views

Thanks for the review.

Legolas - 23/05/2011 10:07:46 PM 2632 Views

Re: Thanks for the review.

Camilla - 24/05/2011 12:14:08 AM 2423 Views

Let me ask the politically incorrect questions, since no one else has. Tom - 24/05/2011 03:14:50 AM 2457 Views

I don't understand why having a guilty black man would have made it more powerful. Ghavrel - 24/05/2011 05:59:17 AM 2445 Views

Hmm Camilla - 24/05/2011 10:22:50 AM 2350 Views

I could see your argument if Tolkien were writing about feminism. Tom - 24/05/2011 02:15:42 PM 2372 Views

I think that's a fair point. Legolas - 24/05/2011 07:00:04 PM 2392 Views

Calpurnia is a stereotype too. Tom - 24/05/2011 11:54:26 PM 2256 Views

The difference, at least in my recollection, is that Calpurnia is well-educated. Legolas - 25/05/2011 08:09:58 PM 2238 Views

Re: The difference, at least in my recollection, is that Calpurnia is well-educated. Camilla - 25/05/2011 10:59:26 PM 2332 Views

Yes. This. *NM* Tom - 26/05/2011 04:56:48 AM 1099 Views

I think there was at least once incident showing a racist black person ßelals Girl - 24/05/2011 07:33:09 PM 2500 Views

Almost a non-incident Tom - 24/05/2011 08:51:59 PM 2145 Views

I think it was written to accomplish a goal and it did that very well random thoughts - 25/05/2011 04:08:17 PM 2305 Views

Given your introductory portion aerocontrols - 11/06/2011 01:28:40 AM 2314 Views

It just occurred to me aerocontrols - 11/06/2011 01:30:05 AM 2300 Views

Re: It just occurred to me Camilla - 11/06/2011 11:36:21 AM 2393 Views

I have read both Camilla - 11/06/2011 11:35:11 AM 2138 Views

All of Twain's stuff is great aerocontrols - 13/06/2011 02:27:55 AM 2402 Views

Re: All of Twain's stuff is great Camilla - 13/06/2011 08:17:05 AM 2231 Views

And some poets - Tennyson and Yeats come to mind. *NM* Legolas - 13/06/2011 10:11:31 AM 1061 Views

Keats? Camilla - 13/06/2011 10:14:58 AM 2322 Views

I have to say... Legolas - 13/06/2011 05:27:26 PM 2235 Views

Re: I have to say... Camilla - 13/06/2011 05:54:45 PM 2318 Views

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<quote id="209315"><quote id="209218">Now look at the black characters.  They are shown to be uniformly respectful, good-natured and innocent.  The oppression that they faced may have played a role in making Southern black society more polite, but I suspect that Lee is also unwittingly falling into the "noble savage" motif.  The blacks in the book are victims, but they are also stereotyped and consciously set aside as being different.</quote></quote>

<quote id="209315">I've always thought it to be a shame that Calpurnia does not get more attention than she does, because she seems to be the only black character in the book who does not fit your description. </quote>

<quote id="209315"><quote id="209218">While Lee may have also written the characters this way to make a point, the end result is that the book's statement against racism is weakened for it.  It would have been a far more powerful book if Atticus had defended a guilty black man at some point as well, and had to explain to Scout that people of any color can be good or bad.</quote></quote>

<quote id="209315">I don't know about that - a stronger book as far as decrying racism goes perhaps, or at least a more nuanced one, but it might've convoluted things enough to make the result less memorable, and the book less successful. </quote>

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