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Re: Yes, Edwardian prose does not thrill me DomA Send a noteboard - 19/01/2012 03:34:02 PM
Certainly having a symbolism-soaked text was something that several Modernists experimented with decades earlier (including Joyce, which I know you find to be execrable), and before them the French Symbolists did something akin to it, albeit for a mostly realist setting. I'm not discounting his importance for a certain branch of literature as much as suspecting his work probably could be placed in context of a certain evolution in approach.


I'm not so sure Tolkien could be fitted so easily in the context of an evolution of approach in modern and pre-modern literature (with his predecessors, I mean. It's of course much easier to place him in such a continuum looking at his influence on others later)

In his use of symbolism, Tolkien was as "unmodern" and "uncontemporary" as could be IMO. His symbolic language is essentially borrowed from mythology. Obviously some of his recurring motifs had deep personal signifiance to him, but they remain extremely easy to decipher, as he barely strayed off the beaten path (in doubt, we even know which domains in mythology to look into and which to exclude to precise meanings or paths to decipher him).

I wouldn't see his use of symbolism a sign of his literary talent or his imagination so much as a sign of his scholarship and the profound intimacy he had with the texts and literary genres he took his inspiration from (which probably explains in turn why Tolkien's symbolism has not been the focus of scholars the way for instance Joyce's has been - including a Jungian essay by Joseph Campbell about Finnegan's Wake, as it happens. I doubt he would have thought LOTR a worthy subject of study, except from the angle of its mass appeal being rooted in its use of mythology archetypes, as he did with Star Wars). With the publication of the Silmarillion that gave the last few "keys" to the symbolism in LOTR it became fairly transparent.
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1961 Nobel Finalists: J.R.R. Tolkien - 19/01/2012 09:27:46 AM 1171 Views
It's difficult to assess Tolkien's relative merits then 51 years later. - 19/01/2012 02:41:52 PM 789 Views
Yes, Edwardian prose does not thrill me - 19/01/2012 02:58:00 PM 758 Views
Re: Yes, Edwardian prose does not thrill me - 19/01/2012 03:34:02 PM 626 Views
Re: Yes, Edwardian prose does not thrill me - 19/01/2012 03:45:07 PM 744 Views
Yet Jung personally was contemptuous of Joyce - 19/01/2012 06:41:58 PM 604 Views
Tolkein is an excellent example why I usually dismiss literary critics/critiques - 23/01/2012 05:57:51 PM 871 Views
There's a lot more to it than that. - 23/01/2012 07:20:30 PM 720 Views
True - 23/01/2012 07:57:42 PM 717 Views
You can't dismiss his impact, even if you do not like his storytelling. - 23/01/2012 07:40:19 PM 775 Views
Who is dismissing that he influenced millions well after 1961? - 23/01/2012 07:54:27 PM 721 Views
That's an odd argument - 23/01/2012 07:51:49 PM 803 Views
Not really - 23/01/2012 10:35:39 PM 642 Views
Eh... - 24/01/2012 12:40:37 AM 662 Views
Depends on what you see as the point of literature. - 24/01/2012 08:14:07 AM 619 Views
the point of literature. - 24/01/2012 01:30:28 PM 735 Views
NO - 24/01/2012 02:05:11 PM 605 Views
Re: NO - 25/01/2012 02:54:57 PM 602 Views

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