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I don't mind if you tell me I'm out of line here, but nossy Send a noteboard - 31/01/2012 11:55:04 PM
As for Tolkien, are his views any different than how many of us (or our family/friends) are when it comes to someone of a different ethnic/social background? That's the real issue, I suspect and I would answer "Not really." I have my own race/class-based prejudices to work on, so why is there such defensiveness when it comes to the fact that an author made some comments and wrote some characters that current readers may find to be objectionable? Best to work on removing those specks from our eyes, I think.

I really have only one question. If we're saying that we can see how some would find it racist/sexist (even having an interesting conversation on the various degrees of personal agreement or disagreement), and one of us is even devil's advocating for just that side, which specks would those be, precisely?

I suppose maybe I'm not allowed to comment on it, since I can be properly racist while she cannot.

(I'm not trying to be snarky, but I don't think you understand just how far this person has gotten under my skin. It's not about Tolkien, though I obviously have opinions there as well. It's about how racism does exist and how people OF ALL COLORS are working to change that. If anybody can work to help and try to illuminate the masses, we should all be able to be part of the conversation. I feel very strongly that the kind of crap that writer was spouting damages exactly what she might say she's trying to foster. As it is, I get the really strong vibe that she's fostering nothing but her own opinion of herself.)

edit for clarification again: I'm talking primarily about her twitter conversation, not only her blog entry about Tolkien.
This message last edited by nossy on 01/02/2012 at 12:24:52 AM
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The racist elements in Tolkien's writing - 29/01/2012 01:31:02 PM 2849 Views
She has some points, of course. - 29/01/2012 02:25:32 PM 1606 Views
Quite a few points - 29/01/2012 02:40:45 PM 1764 Views
Re: Quite a few points - 29/01/2012 04:59:11 PM 1436 Views
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I'm not bothered by the tone. Annoyance is justified. - 29/01/2012 03:03:07 PM 1635 Views
Re: I wish I could agree with you, but I can't in full - 30/01/2012 02:11:07 PM 1619 Views
Do you really believe that? - 30/01/2012 02:44:19 PM 1693 Views
Just read your Twitter convo... nice try, but looks like wasted effort. *NM* - 29/01/2012 10:37:08 PM 761 Views
Yes. - 29/01/2012 10:41:15 PM 1337 Views
Oh, also: - 29/01/2012 03:07:03 PM 1392 Views
Well, I'll be honest. - 29/01/2012 10:34:46 PM 1549 Views
Let me try to summarize some of her points with the invective filtered out, then. - 29/01/2012 10:48:24 PM 1750 Views
Thank you. - 29/01/2012 11:10:13 PM 1787 Views
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I expected that. - 30/01/2012 05:39:59 PM 1599 Views
Of course you did. I'm predictable that way. - 30/01/2012 10:28:10 PM 1628 Views
Re: Of course you did. I'm predictable that way. - 31/01/2012 12:39:46 AM 1498 Views
Re: Of course you did. I'm predictable that way. - 31/01/2012 08:38:46 PM 1540 Views
I <3 you, but there are several very key things we are not going to agree on. - 31/01/2012 10:02:22 PM 1947 Views
Oh. - 31/01/2012 11:07:52 PM 1603 Views
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Hmm? - 31/01/2012 10:10:22 PM 1527 Views
Yeah. I got to reading Encyclopedia of Arda just now, and it told me the same thing. - 31/01/2012 10:35:54 PM 1411 Views
As a sort of group answer (I've been mostly absent from forums the past two days) - 31/01/2012 10:45:55 PM 1823 Views
I don't mind if you tell me I'm out of line here, but - 31/01/2012 11:55:04 PM 1621 Views
I'm rarely ever offended - 01/02/2012 01:54:58 AM 1938 Views
She was referring specifically to the Twitter "conversation" I had with the blogger. - 01/02/2012 09:05:28 AM 1553 Views
Yes. - 01/02/2012 10:47:22 AM 1775 Views
It makes me wonder what she thinks is happening in Zimbabwe, for example. - 01/02/2012 11:13:11 AM 1775 Views
I've been thinking about that. - 01/02/2012 11:29:18 AM 1546 Views
Re: I've been thinking about that. - 01/02/2012 11:40:11 AM 1817 Views
We're nuts. - 01/02/2012 03:09:15 PM 1545 Views
I know that - 01/02/2012 11:15:48 AM 1633 Views
That blog post was mostly good, but the exception is a rather large one. - 01/02/2012 08:35:57 PM 1466 Views
Do you mean exception*S*? - 02/02/2012 04:27:03 AM 1587 Views
The Hobbit came out in 1937. - 30/01/2012 01:35:45 AM 1479 Views
She hates Tolkien's writings to begin with ... - 30/01/2012 06:34:29 AM 1676 Views
The tone of the article is massively annoying - 30/01/2012 06:45:19 AM 1700 Views
I laughed while reading it - 30/01/2012 04:30:50 PM 1533 Views

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