Active Users:181 Time:18/05/2024 07:30:45 PM
Yes, please do. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 19/04/2013 12:40:05 AM

View original post
Where do you get that Brandon raped Ashara?

The connection I picked up on was in the story of the little crannogman, he asked her to dance on Ned's behalf. There was Barristan Selmy's recollection about "Stark" dishonoring Ashara, but that could have been Brandon or Ned, and dishonor could be anything from a one-night stand to sexual assault. It could be his rather sexually-sheltered perception of a consensual relationship (a celibate knight might have a radically different perception of a quick fling than a woman from Dorne with its much more relaxed sexual mores) or he could be repeating the gossip that Cersei threw in Ned's face about his begetting Jon Snow on her and then causing her despair by taking the baby. The timing of her suicide argues against the rape, IMO, and the fact that Jon was nursed by Wylla, a retainer of House Dayne would seem to suggest that the two families maintained affection and respect up to the end.

On the other hand, if Brandon had raped Ashara, a close companion of Aerys' daughter-in-law, that might have been one of those "hey look, there's another side to the story" things that Martin seems to love doing, regarding the Mad King's treatment of Brandon.

Without the rape, I don't see the attitude Wert attributes to Brandon, and without some other indicators I am missing, I don't see there being enough evidence for a rape or even much arguing for a relationship between Brandon & Ashara. The Stark sibs seem pretty close, and I don't see one of them cock-blocking the others. At the least, Ned seems to have cared for Ashara, what with the hints of their relationship and the courtesy call he made regarding her brother's death and his concern for her reputation, and I can't think he'd really remember Brandon that fondly if he had, in fact, done something like that to her.

What do you think of a rumor I read somewhere that she is actually Lemore, the septa companion of Connington & Aegon VI?

Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
Reply to message
ASOIAF: Hopefully a spoiler-laden thread - 16/04/2013 10:52:45 PM 1738 Views
Re: ASOIAF: Hopefully a spoiler-laden thread - 18/04/2013 12:09:11 PM 956 Views
Elaborate on Brandon Stark - 18/04/2013 09:40:17 PM 769 Views
Yes, please do. - 19/04/2013 12:40:05 AM 986 Views
Re: Elaborate on Brandon Stark - 19/04/2013 09:49:37 AM 810 Views
How does that equate to rape? - 19/04/2013 01:54:27 PM 761 Views
Still not buying it. - 22/04/2013 09:09:09 PM 1090 Views
BAM! Consider him rebuffed. Good job - 22/04/2013 10:56:59 PM 1137 Views
Re: ASOIAF: Hopefully a spoiler-laden thread - 19/04/2013 01:06:19 AM 1133 Views
Can we really suspect that? - 19/04/2013 01:44:07 PM 901 Views

Reply to Message