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I understand your point. However... Haggard Send a noteboard - 09/10/2009 05:47:54 PM
Classic novels are books like A Tale of Two Cities, Don Quixote, The Brothers Karamazov or Les Miserables.

Most people wouldn't include science fiction as a category that generates "classic novels" (with some notable exceptions). The reason is that there is no "recognized value" (using your definition) to stories that are primarily entertainment but have little deeper meaning. Additionally, for those that do have deeper meaning (Lem, for example), frequently they are too recent to have established a consensus on "value" - part of what makes a book a classic is that it stands the test of time and retains value several generations after it is written.



I agree. I don't think the books I listed necessarily reach the level of "classics" as you describe. However, since this is a SF/F message board, I assumed folks would realize I meant classic SF/F.

If I was posting to a board devoted to rock music and I said I wanted to listen to some classics, people wouldn't assume I meant Beethoven or Mozart. I need to be more clear in the future. Lesson learned.

But, hey, if Obama can win the Nobel Peace Prize, Hyperion can be a classic. ;)
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November Sci-Fi/Fantasy Book Club: submissions ended! ... New new edit on 18/10/2009 Rebekah - 08/10/2009 06:56:01 PM 1507 Views
Nabokov's The Original of Laura Tom - 08/10/2009 08:19:01 PM 1012 Views
I'd love that. Rebekah - 08/10/2009 08:25:39 PM 1047 Views
The real problem... Jacob - 08/10/2009 08:40:50 PM 929 Views
That's a good point too. Rebekah - 08/10/2009 08:45:30 PM 887 Views
Well, we could always discuss Nabokov in December. Tom - 08/10/2009 11:18:57 PM 852 Views
Done! Rebekah - 09/10/2009 03:00:30 PM 850 Views
Hmm...I'm still thinking about the name Tom - 09/10/2009 03:57:48 PM 967 Views
I'd be up for reading Doctor Zhivago. Legolas - 08/10/2009 10:08:09 PM 881 Views
yeah, me too. only need to find it in a library near me. *NM* jh - 08/10/2009 10:09:32 PM 358 Views
Don't be cheap. Buy it. Tom - 08/10/2009 11:16:18 PM 885 Views
Well, I would, but I don't like online bookstores. jh - 09/10/2009 01:19:19 AM 920 Views
Well, but you just said you didn't know if you could find it in the library. Tom - 09/10/2009 02:07:54 AM 893 Views
Oh, but... jh - 09/10/2009 11:01:01 AM 833 Views
Also: I did not say any such thing. *NM* jh - 10/10/2009 12:49:06 PM 360 Views
The Gone-Away World, obviously Camilla - 08/10/2009 09:23:12 PM 824 Views
Obviously. Rebekah - 09/10/2009 03:00:47 PM 845 Views
I second these statements *NM* Stephen - 13/10/2009 09:37:28 PM 388 Views
This one *NM* ironclad - 19/10/2009 10:44:37 PM 363 Views
AS Byatt - Possession. Legolas - 08/10/2009 10:21:39 PM 870 Views
It is a book of wonder. Possibly not good for the masses. *NM* Rebekah - 09/10/2009 03:01:13 PM 464 Views
Perfect timing! Or, perhaps in December. Comet Sedai - 09/10/2009 09:35:00 PM 1015 Views
i loved that book!!! she is amazing. just wonderful writing... *NM* temeraire - 13/10/2009 08:44:59 PM 345 Views
How about a classic novel? Haggard - 08/10/2009 11:30:31 PM 1085 Views
You have a very strange definition of classics... *NM* jh - 09/10/2009 01:20:37 AM 389 Views
Replace "strange" with "erroneous" and I'll agree with you. Tom - 09/10/2009 02:09:27 AM 853 Views
Really? Haggard - 09/10/2009 03:08:53 AM 1312 Views
for classic science fiction, your list contained one I could support... jh - 09/10/2009 11:06:34 AM 882 Views
I'd be up for those. *NM* Haggard - 09/10/2009 05:34:19 PM 548 Views
You said "classic novel". Science fiction doesn't generally meet that standard. Tom - 09/10/2009 02:52:01 PM 942 Views
I understand your point. However... Haggard - 09/10/2009 05:47:54 PM 1286 Views
This isn't really a SF/F Board Tom - 09/10/2009 09:35:06 PM 871 Views
I like your list. Rebekah - 09/10/2009 03:02:09 PM 844 Views
I think if you're gonna do Eco, picking another book to start with would be wiser... *NM* Legolas - 09/10/2009 03:28:50 PM 374 Views
Why? Rebekah - 09/10/2009 03:32:05 PM 795 Views
And what book would that be??? Tom - 09/10/2009 03:47:49 PM 873 Views
Foucault's Pendulum seems like the obvious one. Legolas - 09/10/2009 03:58:37 PM 931 Views
Having both FP and NotR recently... RandAllThor - 09/10/2009 04:31:00 PM 792 Views
No way. Tom - 09/10/2009 04:56:39 PM 985 Views
Oh well. I'll have to blame my faulty memory then. Legolas - 09/10/2009 10:11:55 PM 774 Views
Based on past experiences here and elsewhere, it'll be hard to choose the "right" book Larry - 09/10/2009 02:46:22 AM 1152 Views
That Hitchhiker book is as genuine as the "new" Winnie-the-Pooh book Tom - 09/10/2009 02:54:23 PM 906 Views
Perhaps, but it's worth remembering that... RandAllThor - 09/10/2009 03:45:53 PM 809 Views
Adams killed Arthur Dent for a reason Tom - 09/10/2009 05:02:23 PM 920 Views
The movie was not faithful to the books in any meaningful way. *NM* RandAllThor - 09/10/2009 08:58:01 PM 357 Views
The movie sucked, yes. Adams had also been dead for four years when it came out. *NM* Tom - 10/10/2009 02:19:38 AM 366 Views
Right. RandAllThor - 10/10/2009 02:37:08 AM 826 Views
One little thing Larry - 10/10/2009 02:39:01 AM 904 Views
Are you sure? RandAllThor - 10/10/2009 02:43:01 AM 854 Views
Yes Larry - 10/10/2009 04:02:40 AM 1088 Views
I stand corrected. Looking forward to your review! RandAllThor - 10/10/2009 01:00:38 PM 784 Views
Perhaps Larry - 09/10/2009 06:08:17 PM 934 Views
So on Monday we'll find out if the widow's cash need resulted in a good book. Tom - 10/10/2009 04:21:22 AM 814 Views
Pretty much (plus I have to finish reading the second half) Larry - 10/10/2009 05:34:38 AM 817 Views
A contrasting take on the first half of the book RandAllThor - 10/10/2009 04:10:18 PM 786 Views
Pretty sure Eugammon beat you to that sequel. Ghavrel - 19/10/2009 09:31:05 PM 1007 Views
Yes! Camilla - 19/10/2009 09:20:09 AM 703 Views
Rothfuss is a good idea, actually. Rebekah - 09/10/2009 02:59:53 PM 784 Views
There are a few, if I recall Larry - 09/10/2009 06:09:54 PM 777 Views
A question for you all. Rebekah - 09/10/2009 03:04:17 PM 837 Views
Sounds good to me. *NM* Legolas - 09/10/2009 03:29:54 PM 326 Views
I agree , or ... Nolan - 09/10/2009 04:36:03 PM 810 Views
That could work if people were interested enough. Rebekah - 11/10/2009 12:40:16 PM 811 Views
That would be cool with me. *NM* Bryce - 10/10/2009 10:32:15 AM 348 Views
Sounds interesting. *NM* BlackAdder - 13/10/2009 08:51:31 PM 314 Views
I suggest Nolan - 09/10/2009 04:58:27 PM 815 Views
Acacia: The War with the Mein by David Anthony Durham Sir Tybalt - 10/10/2009 02:32:59 PM 783 Views
You didn't mention the rapture! If that happens, will the club still be on? *NM* Bryce - 11/10/2009 07:51:59 AM 535 Views
I'd say yes. Pretty sure the people here will be Left Behind. *NM* Rebekah - 11/10/2009 12:39:05 PM 449 Views
Some will probably even be actively serving the Antichrist. Tom - 11/10/2009 04:16:45 PM 1023 Views
Prefer not to. Ouranid - 12/10/2009 03:14:30 AM 690 Views
Diary of a Drug Fiend was rather good. *NM* Tom - 12/10/2009 03:57:42 PM 354 Views
A compromise candidate RandAllThor - 14/10/2009 06:40:56 PM 687 Views
Fantastic book! I am always for putting that on any list. *NM* Tom - 14/10/2009 07:03:35 PM 355 Views
Is it bad that I read this as 'submissives wanted' PhotoJim - 14/10/2009 08:04:31 PM 983 Views
Hyperion *NM* Chas - 15/10/2009 01:56:31 AM 313 Views
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