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In the US, yes. Elsewhere, no, because they didn't know about him. Werthead Send a noteboard - 06/12/2009 04:36:31 PM
Bringing down fantasy from epic scope to a character-based level doesn't really start happening until the time of Cook, if not Cook himself. There are still really strong ties between his work and present works. As you pointed out, Erikson is Black Company 2.0.


I am not disputing this. What I said was that Cook's influence cannot be that great as he was not published outside of North America for many years (until just a few years ago, in fact), whilst what he did for American fantasy was mirrored by what David Gemmell was doing in Britain and arguably Andrzej Sapkowski in Europe at the same time (the late 1980s/early 1990s).

It's a bit like Matt Stover, whose own books have never been published in Europe. Having people going on about the Caine books and how influential/important they are results in a lot of bemusement from British SF&F fans, whose reaction is mainly, "Who, that STAR WARS guy? What?"
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Six best fantasy novels? Larry - 04/12/2009 05:54:54 AM 2016 Views
Best fantasy authors Tavi - 04/12/2009 07:01:48 AM 1717 Views
Have you read Robin Hobb? *NM* Deadsy - 04/12/2009 04:01:23 PM 865 Views
I have, and wasn't really impressed Tavi - 04/12/2009 10:08:25 PM 1529 Views
You definitely read the wrong stuff first Deadsy - 05/12/2009 12:12:07 AM 1652 Views
Agreed. unr3stricted - 09/12/2009 09:55:12 PM 1507 Views
Only read two. Book of the New Sun definitely deserves that spot. Mieville, not so much. Ghavrel - 04/12/2009 08:06:45 AM 1688 Views
Interesting. Werthead - 04/12/2009 05:21:04 PM 1565 Views
Why Mieville, if I may ask? *NM* Ghavrel - 04/12/2009 08:33:43 PM 876 Views
I didn't mean that to be a reply to you, but still Werthead - 05/12/2009 03:15:36 AM 1697 Views
No worries. Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 03:52:11 AM 1572 Views
But the list was for favorite books, not favorite or most important authors A Deathwatch Guard - 05/12/2009 10:25:13 AM 1491 Views
It was for "best" books. I realize that has a lot of meanings, though. *NM* Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 08:37:01 PM 702 Views
Hm... good point A Deathwatch Guard - 06/12/2009 02:19:13 AM 1289 Views
Glen Cook is radically overrated. Werthead - 05/12/2009 04:09:07 PM 1636 Views
Well, he's at least part of the wave that humanized fantasy. Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 08:36:29 PM 1422 Views
In the US, yes. Elsewhere, no, because they didn't know about him. Werthead - 06/12/2009 04:36:31 PM 1518 Views
Interesting. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:15:37 AM 1458 Views
Two years? It was published in 2000... *NM* Legolas - 05/12/2009 09:03:33 PM 620 Views
Nine years is like two. *NM* Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 12:25:49 AM 783 Views
I've yet to read a Gene Wolfe. rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:26:54 AM 1460 Views
Yes, yes, yes. Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 02:35:45 AM 1408 Views
You know I directly added almost all of those Wolfe quotes there, right? Larry - 06/12/2009 05:26:40 AM 1534 Views
I just find Mieville's prose exceptionally standard. Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 07:25:05 AM 1569 Views
Isn't that almost a contradiction of terms there? Larry - 06/12/2009 07:45:47 AM 1451 Views
It's remarkable for its normalcy because so many people praise it? Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 09:11:18 AM 1376 Views
Who the heck are these people? *NM* ironclad - 04/12/2009 12:46:48 PM 841 Views
I've never heard of any of them either.... *NM* Fantasy - 05/12/2009 02:58:11 AM 1149 Views
Literati Larry - 06/12/2009 05:27:28 AM 1430 Views
Yeah you're so much better than us *NM* ironclad - 06/12/2009 12:00:27 PM 786 Views
Well, you can hardly expect a group to go around calling themselves "elitist snobs." *NM* Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:16:16 AM 746 Views
Is he trying to be cool by listing stuff that 90% of fantasy readers have never heard of? Deadsy - 04/12/2009 04:05:46 PM 1457 Views
Actually, several of those books have been bestsellers and/or won several genre awards Larry - 06/12/2009 05:28:18 AM 1453 Views
I'm very ambivalent about A Wizard of Earthsea AgentOrange - 04/12/2009 05:18:00 PM 1454 Views
Possibly has to do with the times in which it was written/read Larry - 06/12/2009 05:29:27 AM 1411 Views
My Best Six best fantasy novels Nolan - 04/12/2009 07:44:12 PM 1198 Views
Re: My Best Six best fantasy novels *NM* Nolan - 04/12/2009 07:45:25 PM 669 Views
oops! *NM* Nolan - 04/12/2009 07:46:34 PM 708 Views
Re: Six best fantasy novels? Aeryn - 04/12/2009 09:06:18 PM 1556 Views
I really need to get around to reading Mists of Avalon. Ghavrel - 04/12/2009 09:50:54 PM 1363 Views
Calenture Aeryn - 05/12/2009 12:44:14 AM 1326 Views
That... sounds so cool. I'm going to check it out as soon as I get home. Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 03:53:55 AM 1408 Views
Ooh, I need to get my hands on Calenture. *NM* rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:27:34 AM 763 Views
And ha! I thought it might be you. *NM* rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:29:13 AM 760 Views
I'll eventually get to those in the near future Larry - 06/12/2009 05:31:29 AM 1455 Views
I don't read or buy books anymore. Aeryn - 06/12/2009 11:45:33 PM 1446 Views
I understand that Larry - 07/12/2009 12:55:46 AM 1514 Views
Okay, I'll give it a shot Tom - 04/12/2009 10:12:47 PM 1553 Views
You might more mythopoeic material in your fantasies, don't you? *NM* Larry - 04/12/2009 11:22:33 PM 786 Views
Mythopoeic? Who...me? Tom - 05/12/2009 02:19:03 AM 1322 Views
Yes, you Larry - 05/12/2009 03:51:25 AM 1479 Views
The Blogger Seems to Agree With You. The Name With No Man - 05/12/2009 10:10:07 PM 1489 Views
Book of the New Sun is very early 80's and is almost inarguably a classic of the genre. Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 12:26:55 AM 1503 Views
Never Read It, But All Accounts Support That View. The Name With No Man - 06/12/2009 02:44:17 PM 1600 Views
Bending the terms a bit... Larry - 04/12/2009 11:21:33 PM 1573 Views
n/a *NM* Aeryn - 05/12/2009 12:46:45 AM 709 Views
I like Grossman's list a lot more than Henry's. *NM* Legolas - 04/12/2009 11:41:36 PM 743 Views
Here are mine, but I probably haven't really read enough fantasy to have a top 5 Deadsy - 05/12/2009 12:16:13 AM 1335 Views
Have you tried any standalones recently? Larry - 06/12/2009 05:33:41 AM 1443 Views
I always end up wanting more Deadsy - 06/12/2009 05:53:11 AM 1418 Views
What if there were 50 more standalones that you could read that likely would be quite good? Larry - 06/12/2009 06:12:53 AM 1528 Views
The only one on his list I would think about agreeing with is Meiville. MightyYT - 05/12/2009 03:11:25 AM 1496 Views
Have you tried Mark Danielewski's House of Leaves yet? Larry - 06/12/2009 05:34:48 AM 1353 Views
No list is complete without Goodkind *NM* Choss Hauler - 05/12/2009 07:59:22 AM 804 Views
Sorry, I can't help it- no *porn* list is complete without Goodkind... *NM* rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:21:22 AM 629 Views
For me....: A Deathwatch Guard - 05/12/2009 10:36:42 AM 1548 Views
He certainly has a specific kind of taste. rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:20:30 AM 1358 Views
Pfft! Larry - 06/12/2009 06:54:24 AM 1279 Views
Who are you asking?? rebelaessedai - 07/12/2009 08:09:25 PM 1378 Views
Might give this a go myself... rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:24:52 AM 1423 Views
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