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On balance, there IS a love story. Just not quite the one that most people think. Tom Send a noteboard - 15/03/2010 09:34:20 PM
Zhivago (Pasternak) is in love with Russia. He falls in love with the Russia he knows from childhood (Tonya) and thinks he would be happy with her, perhaps even in a Platonic mystical marriage. However, that safe, comfortable attachment is not enough for him, as he starts to notice the Revolution that is about to break (Lara). He feels an uncontrollable attraction to the Revolution and throws himself into it with reckless abandon, sacrificing his family, his home and nearly his life, before coming to the realization that he cannot stay in the moment of the Revolution and that he has lost everything (both Tonya and Lara). The dehumanizing experience of Soviet Russia (the partisans slowly coming to resemble animals in their winter quarters) breaks him, but he still loves his homeland, despite the fact that the grey, lacklustre Russia that remains is now almost his enemy, humiliating him and making him suffer all manner of indignities (Marina, his third woman).
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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So, let's talk about Doctor Zhivago. Tom - 15/03/2010 12:51:09 PM 1719 Views
I liked it a lot. wahooka - 15/03/2010 03:24:34 PM 1039 Views
I mostly agree with your points, but I'm not sure Zhivago was ever disillusioned with revolution. Tom - 15/03/2010 09:19:54 PM 909 Views
Re: I mostly agree with your points, but I'm not sure Zhivago was ever disillusioned with revolution wahooka - 15/03/2010 09:57:29 PM 1012 Views
Yes, it's the Soviet state, not the revolution, that he hates. Tom - 15/03/2010 11:16:29 PM 845 Views
I see your point. wahooka - 15/03/2010 11:36:30 PM 949 Views
The idea of revolution was perpetual. In theory, anyway. The Shrike - 16/03/2010 12:30:46 AM 1002 Views
So far, so good ranagrande - 15/03/2010 03:58:44 PM 980 Views
There are lots of good quotes. Tom - 15/03/2010 09:20:26 PM 831 Views
I have finally finished it. ranagrande - 22/03/2010 12:31:24 AM 991 Views
There will be more later. Much more. So lets start at the beginning. The Shrike - 15/03/2010 04:22:15 PM 898 Views
... I'm clearly lacking in braincells. Rebekah - 15/03/2010 05:03:35 PM 998 Views
... yes, you moved to scotland? *NM* jh - 15/03/2010 05:42:21 PM 383 Views
It's not contagious! Rebekah - 15/03/2010 05:47:41 PM 832 Views
It probably is. Don't worry, we still like you! *NM* Tom - 15/03/2010 09:55:07 PM 380 Views
I didn't notice the Anna Karenina connection. That's a good point. Tom - 15/03/2010 09:26:41 PM 926 Views
Yes. Perhaps we should tell the non-Russian speakers/readers that the name of the protagonist, The Shrike - 15/03/2010 10:22:39 PM 1042 Views
Zhivago is the Church Slavonic genitive singular of живой (zhivoi), "living" Tom - 15/03/2010 11:18:23 PM 872 Views
I knew those Larry - 15/03/2010 11:22:02 PM 969 Views
I thought this was a great read, and I'm sure I've missed a lot, which will make a reread good too. Rebekah - 15/03/2010 05:16:19 PM 1033 Views
On balance, there IS a love story. Just not quite the one that most people think. Tom - 15/03/2010 09:34:20 PM 965 Views
I noticed that as well Larry - 15/03/2010 09:42:04 PM 1020 Views
There is a lot of Christian eschatology, too Tom - 15/03/2010 09:46:59 PM 930 Views
Yes Larry - 15/03/2010 11:23:23 PM 1098 Views
Yes. This is what I was going to say, just not as articulately. *NM* Rebekah - 15/03/2010 10:12:33 PM 364 Views
My initial thoughts Beqi - 15/03/2010 06:02:21 PM 994 Views
Re: My initial thoughts wahooka - 15/03/2010 08:54:15 PM 916 Views
Which idioms were you talking about? Tom - 15/03/2010 09:43:09 PM 954 Views
Re: Which idioms were you talking about? wahooka - 15/03/2010 10:07:23 PM 949 Views
The names are not quite as hard as it may seem at first Tom - 15/03/2010 09:41:06 PM 916 Views
There appears to be a lull, so some background - How many of you have read anything about The Shrike - 15/03/2010 08:19:07 PM 917 Views
This is my first novel in that genre, fiction or non. Beqi - 15/03/2010 08:22:04 PM 810 Views
I've read bits & pieces. Rebekah - 15/03/2010 08:33:41 PM 948 Views
Ok, since you're interested, here is some "light" reading for you. Approach with caution. The Shrike - 15/03/2010 08:47:42 PM 1085 Views
Interestingly, I'm seeing parallels now that I'm reading Gibbon. Tom - 15/03/2010 09:53:15 PM 949 Views
Koenker was mine for Soviet history. The Shrike - 15/03/2010 10:08:40 PM 1227 Views
Re: Ok, since you're interested, here is some "light" reading for you. Approach with caution. wahooka - 15/03/2010 11:05:22 PM 1004 Views
Thank you for calling it "light" reading. The quotation marks were comforting. Tashmere - 17/03/2010 09:56:26 AM 881 Views
I will read and respond to this when I remember to bring my glasses home from work! *NM* Rebekah - 17/03/2010 06:14:31 PM 358 Views
Finally got around to reading this. Thanks for sharing. *NM* Rebekah - 22/03/2010 04:45:24 PM 382 Views
You're welcome. *NM* The Shrike - 22/03/2010 05:14:26 PM 350 Views
I knew a bit about it. wahooka - 15/03/2010 08:36:20 PM 1042 Views
Fiction or non-fiction? Larry - 15/03/2010 09:21:04 PM 1088 Views
Do you mean Ten Days that Shook the World by John Reed? Tom - 15/03/2010 09:54:34 PM 923 Views
Ten...I was typing from memories of close to 15 years ago Larry - 15/03/2010 10:57:05 PM 947 Views
Either, though specifically I was thinking of non-fiction. The Shrike - 15/03/2010 10:11:52 PM 994 Views
That's what I was thinking of when I read it Larry - 15/03/2010 10:59:36 PM 1000 Views
Familiar with the history, though I've never exhaustively studied the time period. Jacob - 16/03/2010 02:20:23 PM 978 Views
Enough to understand everything easily enough. Legolas - 21/04/2010 01:03:54 AM 820 Views
My own personal thoughts on Doctor Zhivago Tom - 15/03/2010 11:44:05 PM 1194 Views
This review has been helpful so far for me. Tashmere - 23/03/2010 11:39:51 PM 872 Views
Essay I just finished writing on the book Larry - 16/03/2010 01:26:23 AM 1348 Views
I'm really enjoying it. nossy - 16/03/2010 03:05:25 AM 960 Views
Hey, if I can come late to the party, so can you. *NM* Legolas - 21/04/2010 01:04:15 AM 310 Views
I'm still sailing through it AgentOrange - 16/03/2010 09:25:34 PM 1039 Views
Why would you consider this a classic? What made it so good or profound for (plural) you? Tashmere - 16/03/2010 11:19:23 PM 956 Views
Put a question mark at the end of the first sentence and read my response. *NM* Tom - 17/03/2010 12:09:58 AM 349 Views
Some questions. Rebekah - 19/03/2010 08:27:38 AM 883 Views
Class can be tricky given the Russian context. The Shrike - 19/03/2010 05:09:14 PM 1051 Views
Grand. Thanks for the answers. Rebekah - 20/03/2010 02:33:18 PM 954 Views
As an addendum to what Greg wrote: Tom - 19/03/2010 05:56:56 PM 945 Views
Re: As an addendum to what Greg wrote: Rebekah - 20/03/2010 02:36:36 PM 967 Views
No, Tonya was exiled. It was a fortune of timing. Tom - 20/03/2010 05:22:44 PM 948 Views
The Possessed: Adventures with Russian Books and the People Who Read Them The Shrike - 21/03/2010 05:34:03 PM 973 Views
It looks a bit strained to me. Tom - 22/03/2010 03:28:34 AM 858 Views
So far the reviews are pretty glowing, as are the Amazon reviewers. The Shrike - 22/03/2010 01:44:19 PM 986 Views
In other news, I read about 100 pages of The Island at the Center of the World. Tom - 22/03/2010 03:48:47 PM 903 Views
I figured that you would like it. The Shrike - 22/03/2010 05:14:06 PM 1038 Views
I finished it last night - the last 100+ pages rather fast, considering how long the whole took. Legolas - 21/04/2010 01:00:50 AM 736 Views
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