The names are not quite as hard as it may seem at first
Tom Send a noteboard - 15/03/2010 09:41:06 PM
In Russia, everyone has a name, a patronymic and a surname. It's almost the same as everywhere else, except that in Russia (as in most other Slavic cultures as well as Middle Eastern cultures) your "middle name" (patronymic) is your FATHER'S first name, with an -ich attached (for men) or an -ovna/-evna attached for women.
So:
Yuri Andreevich Zhivago is the son of Andrei
Antonina Alexandrovna Gromeko is the daughter of Alexander
Viktor Ippolitovich Komarovsky is the son of Ippolit
and so on.
Furthermore, in Russia, as pretty much everywhere else, people have nicknames. Imagine a Russian reading a book where someone is called John, only to see him called Jack. Who's Jack? How is he related to John? the Russian reader might ask.
Similarly, seeing Lara for Larissa, Tonya for Antonina, Yura for Yuri, Pasha for Pavel, Shura for Alexandra, Misha for Dmitry, etc., can be difficult at first. However, just realize that the names are nicknames.
So:
Yuri Andreevich Zhivago is the son of Andrei
Antonina Alexandrovna Gromeko is the daughter of Alexander
Viktor Ippolitovich Komarovsky is the son of Ippolit
and so on.
Furthermore, in Russia, as pretty much everywhere else, people have nicknames. Imagine a Russian reading a book where someone is called John, only to see him called Jack. Who's Jack? How is he related to John? the Russian reader might ask.
Similarly, seeing Lara for Larissa, Tonya for Antonina, Yura for Yuri, Pasha for Pavel, Shura for Alexandra, Misha for Dmitry, etc., can be difficult at first. However, just realize that the names are nicknames.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
So, let's talk about Doctor Zhivago.
- 15/03/2010 12:51:09 PM
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I liked it a lot.
- 15/03/2010 03:24:34 PM
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I mostly agree with your points, but I'm not sure Zhivago was ever disillusioned with revolution.
- 15/03/2010 09:19:54 PM
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Re: I mostly agree with your points, but I'm not sure Zhivago was ever disillusioned with revolution
- 15/03/2010 09:57:29 PM
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Yes, it's the Soviet state, not the revolution, that he hates.
- 15/03/2010 11:16:29 PM
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There will be more later. Much more. So lets start at the beginning.
- 15/03/2010 04:22:15 PM
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... I'm clearly lacking in braincells.
- 15/03/2010 05:03:35 PM
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... yes, you moved to scotland? *NM*
- 15/03/2010 05:42:21 PM
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I didn't notice the Anna Karenina connection. That's a good point.
- 15/03/2010 09:26:41 PM
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Yes. Perhaps we should tell the non-Russian speakers/readers that the name of the protagonist,
- 15/03/2010 10:22:39 PM
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Zhivago is the Church Slavonic genitive singular of живой (zhivoi), "living"
- 15/03/2010 11:18:23 PM
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I thought this was a great read, and I'm sure I've missed a lot, which will make a reread good too.
- 15/03/2010 05:16:19 PM
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On balance, there IS a love story. Just not quite the one that most people think.
- 15/03/2010 09:34:20 PM
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I noticed that as well
- 15/03/2010 09:42:04 PM
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Yes. This is what I was going to say, just not as articulately.
*NM*
- 15/03/2010 10:12:33 PM
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*NM*
- 15/03/2010 10:12:33 PM
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My initial thoughts
- 15/03/2010 06:02:21 PM
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Re: My initial thoughts
- 15/03/2010 08:54:15 PM
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The names are not quite as hard as it may seem at first
- 15/03/2010 09:41:06 PM
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There appears to be a lull, so some background - How many of you have read anything about
- 15/03/2010 08:19:07 PM
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I've read bits & pieces.
- 15/03/2010 08:33:41 PM
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Ok, since you're interested, here is some "light" reading for you. Approach with caution.
- 15/03/2010 08:47:42 PM
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Re: Ok, since you're interested, here is some "light" reading for you. Approach with caution.
- 15/03/2010 11:05:22 PM
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Thank you for calling it "light" reading. The quotation marks were comforting.
- 17/03/2010 09:56:26 AM
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I will read and respond to this when I remember to bring my glasses home from work! *NM*
- 17/03/2010 06:14:31 PM
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Fiction or non-fiction?
- 15/03/2010 09:21:04 PM
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Familiar with the history, though I've never exhaustively studied the time period.
- 16/03/2010 02:20:23 PM
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Why would you consider this a classic? What made it so good or profound for (plural) you?
- 16/03/2010 11:19:23 PM
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Put a question mark at the end of the first sentence and read my response. *NM*
- 17/03/2010 12:09:58 AM
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Some questions.
- 19/03/2010 08:27:38 AM
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As an addendum to what Greg wrote:
- 19/03/2010 05:56:56 PM
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The Possessed: Adventures with Russian Books and the People Who Read Them
- 21/03/2010 05:34:03 PM
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It looks a bit strained to me.
- 22/03/2010 03:28:34 AM
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So far the reviews are pretty glowing, as are the Amazon reviewers.
- 22/03/2010 01:44:19 PM
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In other news, I read about 100 pages of The Island at the Center of the World.
- 22/03/2010 03:48:47 PM
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I finished it last night - the last 100+ pages rather fast, considering how long the whole took.
- 21/04/2010 01:00:50 AM
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