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Some of that is BS... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 22/03/2010 04:18:06 AM
The books take place in a time and place where the social mores are very different than our world. Life is not as valuable to people of this primitive (by our standards) society, and because of this we can not honestly judge them by the values of our world and our time. Just as we cannot honestly judge historical figures from our worlds ancient history using our values and beliefs. To do so, we would have to then say that just about every leader of the ancient world was evil, from Marcus Crassus (who crucified several thousand revolting slaves along the road to Rome after he put down Spartacus) to Caesar who crucified the pirates that had taken him hostage after he was ransomed.

Evil is such a tricky term, especially when you are looking at the situation through the filter of modern values and mores.

While a part of this is true, we also need to realize that if we are not to look at these characters from modern perspectives, we need to use the perspective of the society in which they reside, and they are evil even by those standards. Cersei and Jaime have an incestuous relationship, Jaime is a regicide and an oathbreaker, Cersei hopes to commit fratricide, and so on.
Most people would laugh away some of these reasons to call them evil or even wrong, though their own world would not hesitate in branding them as evil and accursed.
I am not trying to in any way condone the actions of Jaime or Cersei et al, yet what they did they did to protect their children and family. Any parent would do whatever was necessary to save the lives of their children, even if it meant doing somehting horrible. I challenge anyone on this board to HONESTLY say that they would not kill someone to protect their child. If you say you wouldn't then either you are not a parent, or you are a liar.

The total bullshit-ness of this argument is astounding. Cersei and Jaime deliberately disregarded their own safety and that of their children when the spent years f*cking around in strange castles. They know quite well that Robert would kill them and their kids the moment they were discovered. Yet, having sex was more important?
By your argument, it is completely normal parental behavior to risk your child's life by having forbidden sex, and then murder another innocent child when you're discovered! Arrant nonsense.
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I was responding to someone ELSE making that error - 24/03/2010 03:13:36 PM 1130 Views

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